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Post by Gregory Peters on Jun 29, 2015 5:26:52 GMT
Regarding the general topic of New Isis Lodge (maybe my post should go somewhere else?) I am currently reading the Starfire edition of Hecate's Fountain. In the chapter entitled Thunder Dragon, Grant enters into a fascinating analysis of the Four Secret Rituals of Voudoo Temple Worship (Bertiaux's formula), tying these in with regions of the Mauve Zone. At one point he discusses the magical physics of (Necronomicon Physics Laboratory) of the Choronzon Club, pointing out the similarities between the Azif or "were-insects" of the Lovecraftian Gnosis and the buzzing/humming sounds associated with the presence of the Old Ones. Grant goes on to show that these buzzing/humming sounds are very closely approximated in the tantrik buddhist rites of the Drukpa and Nyingmapa sects, citing a recording made by John Levy in Bhutan in 1971, Tibetan Buddhist Rites from the Monasteries of Bhutan - vol1: Rituals of the Drukpa Order; vol2. Sacred Dances and Rituals of the Nyingmapa & Drukpa Orders; vol3 Temple Rituals and Public Ceremonies. Grant states that "Nowhere else, to my knowledge, do such close approximations exist, and if the student listens attentively he will obtain fairly accurate notiion of the sonic effects which formed the background of Lodge rites."Further on Grant writes "The Drukpa, or Cult (pa) of the Thunder Dragon (Druk), is no less a vehicle of the Ophidian Current than was New Isis Lodge, or the present Cult of Lam. Nor need the gods invoked by the Tibetan rites be distinguished from the Old Ones who inform the 93/696 Current." He goes on to quote some parts of the Drukpa rituals that are well worth studying. In this chapter he also discusses the connection between Tibetan Buddhism and Bon, and back further to Atlantean connections. There is also mention of Count Basies music and the formula of the voltigeurs. There is a lot more here, in just this one chapter, that I will need to carefully re-read and follow up on cross references extensively. Quite a lot of my own work has been following up on some of these leads in relation to Lam. I tracked down the three volumes of Levy's recordings and eagerly await their arrival. In the meantime, some of them are on youtube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=9yCVHgAAgtEwww.youtube.com/watch?v=BOzG0iNwoi8
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Post by Gregory Peters on Jun 29, 2015 5:32:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 8:00:27 GMT
This is fascinating Gregory, many thanks for sharing, particularly the 'Sky-Horn' links which are utterly intriguing.
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Jun 29, 2015 15:25:37 GMT
Excerpts of some of those John Levy recordings were used in the soundtrack of the film Altered States. When I'm at a proper computer I'll have more to say about the buzzing phenomenon.
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Post by Gregory Peters on Jun 29, 2015 16:33:10 GMT
Excerpts of some of those John Levy recordings were used in the soundtrack of the film Altered States. When I'm at a proper computer I'll have more to say about the buzzing phenomenon. Interesting! That film had a big effect on me in my early 20's. I should go back and watch it now as it has been quite some time. I managed to track down all three volumes of the disks. The first time I searched was coming up with outrageous pricing but managed to narrow it down with Amazon (I would much rather have stumbled across the discs in a used record store, but at least in my area they are few and far between anymore, with limited selections)
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Jun 29, 2015 19:53:09 GMT
Same with me Gregory. I saw that movie once in the early-1980's and loved it but had no context for what it was really about. Later in my 20's I saw it again and then understood it and loved it even more and ever since. When I clicked one of your links up there I immediately recognized the music. One prominent scene in the movie that uses it is when Dr. Jessup is taking part in the mushroom ceremony in Mexico. Definitely some interesting juxtapositions (and implications). I've experienced the "buzzing of the insects" quite frequently. It usually comes on very strong during skrying as an indication of the opening of the channel. What I hear does start off sounding like a swarm of bees and can get really extreme but over a the span of a few minutes tends to morph into one high-pitched tone. The end tone varies and the difference in tones may even be significant. It's not always the same. I can kind of understand how Grant may have equated this experience with what that Tibetan ritual music seems to be conveying. For all I know it is conveying exactly the same thing. However, I have never known for sure if the buzzing effect during skrying or evocations (and working with LAM or in the case of the "alien abduction" experience) is the same as what Grant is talking about. I would be interested if others here have had the same experience during certain ritual work. You might also take notice of the loud crash sounds throughout that Tibetan music. This is also an auditory phenomenon I'm familiar with as well during skrying; explosive gong-like crashes.
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Post by artilect on Jun 30, 2015 0:46:52 GMT
Funny, I'm actually in the middle of the 'Thunder Dragon' chapter of Hecate's Fountain right now. I'll toss something up when I'm through and have reflected on it some. Altered States is a must-see for anyone into this kind of stuff... fantastic movie, even if the FX are understandably dated. Nice find on the Levy recordings!
I've been looking into the buzzing, humming, clicking, popping, beeping, rumbling, rushing, roaring, crashing sounds for quite a while. I don't do any ritual work so all of my experience with this - with the added phenomena of voices: sometimes mechanical and sometimes vibratory, as well as being male, female, young, old and in both familiar and unfamiliar languages - comes entirely from the hypnagogic state for me.
Outside of Grant, who mentions it a lot, this is also well documented across a number of metaphysical fields of interest, notably within the realm of shamanism, where shamans or brujos use the buzzing sound as a sonic indicator to resonate their icaros (songs/chants) with. Musicians will be familiar with ideas around harmonic overtones and resonance. As with Buddhist chants, locking into a 'cosmic melody' seems to be the goal and some propose that engaging in this song-work can somehow effect a positive mutation within our DNA. Whether there's anything to this or not, chanting does serve as a form of oxygenating the brain and I've been doing it since I was a kid whenever I have a bad migraine.
From the sleep paralysis angle, the buzzing goes along with a feeling of intense, cycling vibration, which can often be used to induce an out-of-body experience. All of this may tenuously be tied up in some way with EM fields and their effect on the body. Some good work has been done by both Michael Persinger and Albert Budden in this regard.
Unfortunately, this latter EM-related line of thinking can lead down a couple of roads, benevolent and even potentially malevolent:
1) There is a natural planetary resonance (Schumann resonance?) that we can tap into during susceptible mental states (e.g., hypnagogia)
2) There is a broadcast by something or someone at a point on the EM spectrum that we're normally unaware of, but are made aware of (sometimes even in a hostile manner) during susceptible mental states (also see 'Microwave hearing'), the result of which can lead to 'intrusions'...
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Jun 30, 2015 1:15:03 GMT
And while I am at it (consider this something of a tangenital tantrum), I am struck as well by the similarities between the Tibetan tantrik ritual music and the odd phenomena that has been occuring of "horn like" sounds coming from the sky all around the world. Could it be that these sounds may have been occuring in the high ranges of the Himalayas, and were part of the inspiration for the spirit sounds in the tantrik rites? I forgot to say something to this earlier. Most of the videos floating around about this phenomenon are obvious fakes if you compare them; they all have the same exact recording of the horns along with the signature bird noises. I'm actually really conscious of audio because I've spent so much time of my life playing with sounds, music and recording and immediately notice these things. The few videos that seem to have something anomalous happening have explanations. One of the popular credible ones turned out to be a bulldozer really close by scraping across concrete and making those sounds. There is even a video taken around the same time of someone looking for the sounds and discovering that bulldozer working. Another more credible video was taken close by a railroad station and the noises are attributed to a train riding its brake. So I personally find it hard to jump on those "sky horns" as anything worth considering in this context. There are far more interesting and genuinely anomalous phenomena worth considering and exploring. Artilect mentioned some interesting angles there and I can definitely relate to those.
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Post by Aleph on Jun 30, 2015 8:26:31 GMT
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Post by stephen on Jul 2, 2015 15:38:33 GMT
Yes, well, slightly off subject perhaps, Dear Aleph. The bit about drinking corpse-flavoured water was a delightful touch. The history of the L.A. Hotel discussed in the article reminded me of the 2007 film 1408 about an infamous haunted room in the Dolphin Hotel, situated in New York, I believe. (Original story courtesy of Stephen King it seems). Saw Altered States once at the cinema, back in the 1980s, although I cannot recall the soundtrack. Mushrooms in Mexico, indeed. Have certainly experienced the 'buzzing phenomenon' with psilocybe in Sheffield, however. (And in other circumstances also).
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Jul 2, 2015 16:27:28 GMT
The Elisa Lam story also has some uncanny similarities to the film Dark Water.
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Post by stephen on Jul 6, 2015 13:32:07 GMT
Too many people to quote here, so I'll just get stuck in.
I'm not familiar with the John Levy recordings but I do have an earlier Lyrichord Discs recording: TIBETAN RITUAL MUSIC by Lamas and Monks of the four Great Orders, made by Peter Crossley-Holland in 1961. Bought the LP in Leamington Spa back in 1973 when I was at Warwick University and it made quite an impression at the time; haven't listened to it for ages - it was Ozric Tentacles at the weekend, but the Lamas are a more intense proposition I think.
Going through old magical records yesterday, sifting through psilocybe-fuelled workings.
December, 1992 e.v. During Rite for Maitresse Erzulie "..experience of strange musical sounds, on closer listening to these, the more they sounded like the buzzing noises of insects."
March, 1993 e.v. Acquired Hecate's Fountain and soon noted the references to the buzzing phenomena being associated with the presence of the Great Old Ones. Then all of the later chapters under discussion as well.
Very much into Vodou at this time and not too surprisingly the attentions of the were-insect loa became more discernible:
February, 1994 e.v. During a Rite for Maitre Kalfou: "Concentration on images (inner visuals) brought intesification of light and energy and insect-like activity - loud buzzing and clicking like a painful assault on the mind."
I equate the buzzing experience as a phenomenon of the mushroom chemistry itself, but it reached its strongest intensity in my Vodou workings. Working with Kalfou in particular was a very intense experience.
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Post by eric on Jul 6, 2015 17:27:28 GMT
Excellent!!! I have briefly read into Tibetan Buddhism, The BonPo and this Grant text though it has been a while. An incredible journey the mind takes on shamanic voyages such as this , I usually strictly observe this from a Jungian perspective. I look forward to studying more so I can participate in this discussion with more insight,
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Post by Sarah-Jayne on Jul 8, 2015 8:49:59 GMT
Thank you for posting this Gregory. I find the sky-horn phenomena most intriguing!
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Post by eric on Jul 9, 2015 14:54:54 GMT
Has anyone here attempted CHOD practices ? For a lone practitioner, those mantras and visualizations seem to awaken similar sounds
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Post by triveni93 on Jul 9, 2015 20:07:16 GMT
Eric: I'm pretty sure the femur bone trumpet is used at different points in the Chod practice, depending on who is doing it (and whether or not they own a femur bone trumpet). It wouldn't surprise me if you heard those sounds with or without the actual instrument (astrally, for example).
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Post by eric on Jul 31, 2015 20:56:21 GMT
It seems that reaching a trancelike state creates a certain awareness of different environmental vibrations. Sometimes, music will involuntarily manifest in my mind
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Post by Gregory Peters on Aug 18, 2015 17:34:29 GMT
It seems that reaching a trancelike state creates a certain awareness of different environmental vibrations. Sometimes, music will involuntarily manifest in my mind This matches my experience. Sounds, sights, feelings all are experienced. The sounds and vibrations created by the Tibetan tantriks in their rites seem to be replications of some of these astral manifestations, as well as keys to help open the gates and experience them
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Post by artilect on Aug 18, 2015 17:43:43 GMT
Regarding sound, lately I find myself drawn to the idea of there being some sort of lost knowledge pertaining to Acoustic Levitation. Could there have been a type of bio-technology in the distant past that was used to effect change in not only consciousness/states of mind but also physical reality (via levitation and other phenomena)?
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Post by Gregory Peters on Aug 18, 2015 21:20:57 GMT
Regarding sound, lately I find myself drawn to the idea of there being some sort of lost knowledge pertaining to Acoustic Levitation. Could there have been a type of bio-technology in the distant past that was used to effect change in not only consciousness/states of mind but also physical reality (via levitation and other phenomena)? What a fantastic website you linked! I will need to look at this in more detail as there is a lot of information to digest. This is a good match for Tipler et al! Sound/vibrations is an entire doctrine of teaching in some of the mystery schools. Notably BOTA and AMORC have a lot of instruction regarding sound, vibration, color and how it works for healing (or destructive qualities). In the tantras there are descriptions of sound (mantra & vidya) that can produce a variety of effects. And of course in Grant's work with Liber 231 as described in Nightside of Eden there is a strong correlation between sound, color and opening gateways into the Tunnels of Set and the guardians thereof. So, its not so far off an idea really that sound might have been used in the past in far more extraordinary ways then we currently witness. Hmm, and lets not forget the blasting of the walls of Jericho with the vibrations produced from Ram's horns (or was the shouting of the troops modified with some 'wyrding module' aka the Lynch version of Dune to blast the walls?)
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Post by SonOfTheGods on Sept 1, 2015 1:20:09 GMT
In Internal Alchemy, the Dragon is very significant, as is Thunder.
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Post by InTheWind on Sept 28, 2015 21:30:17 GMT
"2) There is a broadcast by something or someone at a point on the EM spectrum that we're normally unaware of, but are made aware of (sometimes even in a hostile manner) during susceptible mental states (also see 'Microwave hearing'), the result of which can lead to 'intrusions'..."
Interesting you should mention that. Seemed automated by a computer to me. Maybe sometimes live participants joining in. Intrusive and not in a nice way, to put it mildly. Not a good place to get stuck. Makes me wonder how any person in a susceptible mental state could ever have a natural experience with this happening. I perceived it as intentional.
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Post by Gregory Peters on Dec 15, 2016 19:27:08 GMT
Returning to another one of these old threads (seems to be my thing lately), in the discussion mentioned earlier where the "sky trumpet" phenomena was discussed. I came across another good interview, this time with Whitley Streiber no less, discussing the sounds. Well worth listening to the entire podcast, but the part about the sky horns comes in somewhere around 27minutes: hiddenexperience.blogspot.com/2012/01/audio-conversation-with-whitley.html
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Post by Gregory Peters on Jan 7, 2019 2:18:48 GMT
As is slowly becoming my custom to continuously plumb the depths of old and retired threads and resurface them, if only for a glimpse of the Light, before they sink once against slowly in the dream heavy depths of the beyond.. ahem, I was reading recently the history of the Zhang Zhung land of ancient Tibet and the origin of the Bon cultus, and the flow of Buddhism into Tibet.
The imagery of the creation story is incredibly rich, with many themes pertinent to Typhonian ideas (more on that another time). In particular I was drawn to this:
From the union of Za-byed Stin-rum and Chu-za Rlung-gyon-ma, Five Hundred Srin Children were generated. A footnote here notes that "one hundred of them eat the testicles [rda] of fathers, one hundred the utereses [mngal] of mothers, one hundred eat roasted flesh, one hundred drink fresh blood [lcab-lcib], and one hundred eat children."
From the union of mKha'-lding Dri-za and Sa-ni Ngad-ka'i bT-sun-mo, the Six Male and Female Dri-za were generated. Here the footnote reads "two of them, one male and one female, eat odor while floating crosswise; two of them, one male and one female, eat odor while circling in its proximity; two of them, one male and one female, eat odor while soaring in the sky."
Just a gentle reminder of the absolutely terrifying and other worldly nature of these beings
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Post by John Hope on Jan 25, 2019 23:52:08 GMT
Regarding sound, lately I find myself drawn to the idea of there being some sort of lost knowledge pertaining to Acoustic Levitation. Could there have been a type of bio-technology in the distant past that was used to effect change in not only consciousness/states of mind but also physical reality (via levitation and other phenomena)?
There was a well researched article in an old issue of Fortean Times that looked into the Kjellson story and the lost film, will have a look through my back issues.
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