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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2023 14:31:35 GMT
Hallo, c'est moi, Leclerque (lol.). Just joking, rather it's Ljubo Divljak from Slovenia, once upon a time known as Frater Ateh (my motto in long-since-passed Caliphate days). I was already a member of this forum a couple of years ago, some of you may even remember me.
In the meantime, I've learned a thing or two about proper manners and here I am, ready to further polish my abilities through meaningful, I hope, interaction.
On my part, and in the above sense, I'd like to point out the existence of a Thelemic synthesis published online; the address is as follows: be-with-us.org I find their work to be relevant and informed by Θελημα. Thanx for having me.
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Post by chapter53 on Dec 5, 2023 16:14:32 GMT
be-with-us.orgI find their work to be relevant and informed by Θελημα. While they certainly reference Thelemic sources, I feel that this line of thought completely forgets that Every Man and Every Woman is a star. No thank you, I will not be with you.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2023 8:29:47 GMT
You feel not. Or so I feel. Which makes it difficult, if not impossible, to communicate further. We all assume certain things, we interpret reality, and AL, differently. On a forum the fact can be accommodated sans any fireworks display, for the time being at least. But what about the world at large, so called?
As I see it, the difference(s) itself, its existence, testifies to the fact that - TIME IS! I am glad it is.
This will probably be my final post on TM, you can now revert to your favourite subject, lovecraftian tentacles meonic. I'm a fan myself, kinda.
Except I am a nazi (thelemite).
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Post by stephen on Dec 6, 2023 19:45:25 GMT
Well, briefly here again and gone again, apparently.
I did have a look at the © 2023 | Be-With-Us.org website and where it was coming from soon became apparent with "The Nine Tenets of Esoteric National Socialism" - Adolf Hitler, Third Reich National Socialism, that is, with a thin gloss of Thelemic precepts.
As a matter of worthwhile interest, the source for Be-With-Us is LIBER CCCLXX, Liber A’ash vel Capricorni Pneumatici, verse 6: "Only in the end shalt thou give up thy sap when the great God F.I.A.T. is enthroned on the day of Be-With-Us." Although, I seem to think there is another mention of it elsewhere in the Crowley corpus. Madame Blavatsky appears to have used the term.
We do need to be aware of and wary of these Neo-Nazi intrusions into the Thelemic sphere; they are likely to keep occurring and need to be clearly identified as such.
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Post by stephen on Dec 7, 2023 18:51:04 GMT
The other reference in the Holy Books of Thelema, and the one which I had more in mind, is to be found in Liber Cheth vel Vallum Abiegni sub figurâ CLVI, verses 11-12:
"For if thou dost not this with thy will, then shall We do this despite thy will. So that thou attain to the Sacrament of the Graal in the Chapel of Abominations.
And behold! if by stealth thou keep unto thyself one thought of thine, then shalt thou be cast out into the abyss for ever; and thou shalt be the lonely one, the eater of dung, the afflicted in the Day of Be-with-Us."
Strong sentiments, passionate sentiments, which need to be interpreted carefully.
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Post by Michael Staley on Dec 10, 2023 18:10:03 GMT
it's Ljubo Divljak from Slovenia [. . .] On my part, and in the above sense, I'd like to point out the existence of a Thelemic synthesis published online; the address is as follows: be-with-us.orgI find their work to be relevant and informed by Θελημα Many years ago I used to correspond with Ljubo Divljak, and thought him OK. Surprised to hear from him that he's a Nazi. His assertion to the contrary, I don't think there's anything Thelemic about Nazism. In the 1970s I lived on an Israel kibbutz for a few years, as a result of which Nazism is particularly abhorrent to me, to express it mildly. Thanks for your recearch into the phrase 'Be-With-Us', Stephen. I knew I'd come across it in Crowley's work over the years
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