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Post by notnotthing on Jan 6, 2019 17:26:01 GMT
Hello everyone,
The chapter on the Mithra Rite has always been intriguing, and recently I came upon a copy of the ritual. It's always hard to say if things are authentic, so I cross checked a few sources and believe I have the correct one. The other indicator is...holy crap! I cannot even read a few lines into it much less consider vocalizing the sonic sigils or doing a ritual without stuff happening. I'm still coming down from reading a few lines back in early December. What the heck is this thing? Curious if anyone has any experience with it. The sentiment is meant in a good way, but will take a lot of time for me to get through it, extraordinarily intense.
Aside from that, checking other sources on the lineage of Mithra is very interesting, and is more ancient than I think most realize, especially relative to Abrahamic systems and far east predecessors. I learned alot from the hints Grant put in the chapter, he basically gives some facts and then points to clues. I'm interested if anyone has any experience with this, not to go nuts on it, but it seems to be 100% extraterrestrial origin given to humans at some point. Yikes!
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Post by Gregory Peters on Jan 6, 2019 18:52:47 GMT
All the whistling and popping and lights in the sky interspersed with sonorous vowels being growled and hissed and moaned certainly do make for an extra-terrestrial sounding ritual. I have worked with it in the past (modifying it from the PGM) for a few seasons around Spring Equinox, with interesting results. A feeling of fluid consciousness expanding, and a sense of being watched from elsewhere. It would be interesting to hear from anyone that may have worked with it in more depth.
A great study of Cult of Mithras is David Ulansey's The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries, which goes into the stellar connections that the cult symbolism encodes.
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Post by notnotthing on Jan 6, 2019 23:22:29 GMT
All the whistling and popping and lights in the sky interspersed with sonorous vowels being growled and hissed and moaned certainly do make for an extra-terrestrial sounding ritual. I have worked with it in the past (modifying it from the PGM) for a few seasons around Spring Equinox, with interesting results. A feeling of fluid consciousness expanding, and a sense of being watched from elsewhere. It would be interesting to hear from anyone that may have worked with it in more depth. A great study of Cult of Mithras is David Ulansey's The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries, which goes into the stellar connections that the cult symbolism encodes. Gregory, thank you for the reference. A few sources I've consulted include Manly Hall who wrote about the cult and its specific prominence in the Roman military, and traced some lineages through Egypt and Persia. Grant references a few others, Massey and Machen among others, which are more specific to the Egyptian lineage. I was surprised when I reviewed the Sirius Mystery, I did not find a direct reference, although I need to read that again, but it does not appear in the index. I believe Alogos uses some related formula as well. Given its precursor Father Mithros as Baphomitr, it seems like a very key influence of the overall Ophidian gnosis. Underneath those Masonic and OTO embodiment must lie the core formulas of the original rite. Honestly I did not get to any invocations, I got to the opening where the Dawn is mentioned (just reading, no ritual context), and thats when I had to stop, my consciousness shifted to the mode where I beheld the Dawn in all its glory, I was not ready for that. It appears there are some elements of ingress even before the barbarous names. I also have a suspicion there is a close relation to the Divine Chariot and Merkaba, just intuitively which makes sense on a few levels. Grant has packed a lot of information in this chapter (including calling out the warnings) which needs assimilation given his multidimensional approach to encoding information. David Ulnasey's work looks promising. Hopefully I can get back to the rite soon, but man it is a spicy one! |
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Post by notnotthing on Jan 10, 2019 23:39:59 GMT
The David Ulansey book arrived today. I've started to dig into it, and coming from a scholarly setting, as mentioned regarding his thesis and some conferences, I couldn't help but chuckle at the idea of performing the rite in one of those stuffy breakout rooms in conference centers, people aghast and running screaming as wheels of light and UFOs turned up  . Just my disturbed sense of humor...seems like a good read, thanks for the tip. |
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Post by notnotthing on Jan 11, 2019 13:49:06 GMT
And there is Hiram right from the start...with Essenian Shema prayer, here we go, full speed backward.
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Post by The Double-Wanded One on Feb 16, 2022 10:42:19 GMT
All the whistling and popping and lights in the sky interspersed with sonorous vowels being growled and hissed and moaned certainly do make for an extra-terrestrial sounding ritual. I have worked with it in the past (modifying it from the PGM) for a few seasons around Spring Equinox, with interesting results. A feeling of fluid consciousness expanding, and a sense of being watched from elsewhere. It would be interesting to hear from anyone that may have worked with it in more depth. A great study of Cult of Mithras is David Ulansey's The Origins of the Mithraic Mysteries, which goes into the stellar connections that the cult symbolism encodes. Gregory, thank you for the reference. A few sources I've consulted include Manly Hall who wrote about the cult and its specific prominence in the Roman military, and traced some lineages through Egypt and Persia. Grant references a few others, Massey and Machen among others, which are more specific to the Egyptian lineage. I was surprised when I reviewed the Sirius Mystery, I did not find a direct reference, although I need to read that again, but it does not appear in the index. I believe Alogos uses some related formula as well. Given its precursor Father Mithros as Baphomitr, it seems like a very key influence of the overall Ophidian gnosis. Underneath those Masonic and OTO embodiment must lie the core formulas of the original rite. Honestly I did not get to any invocations, I got to the opening where the Dawn is mentioned (just reading, no ritual context), and thats when I had to stop, my consciousness shifted to the mode where I beheld the Dawn in all its glory, I was not ready for that. It appears there are some elements of ingress even before the barbarous names. I also have a suspicion there is a close relation to the Divine Chariot and Merkaba, just intuitively which makes sense on a few levels. Grant has packed a lot of information in this chapter (including calling out the warnings) which needs assimilation given his multidimensional approach to encoding information. David Ulnasey's work looks promising. Hopefully I can get back to the rite soon, but man it is a spicy one! Strangely enough, the actual Mithraic liturgy (surviving) strongly resembles Thelemic concepts and language, the OTO connection being self-evident:  From the book: The "Mithras Liturgy": Text, Translation and Commentary by Hans Dieter Betz |
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Post by chapter53 on Feb 23, 2022 15:56:09 GMT
I have worked with it in the past (modifying it from the PGM) for a few seasons around Spring Equinox, with interesting results. How did you modify it? did you bring it into the new Aeon? or something more personal? I'm very interested in how Thelemites modify old aeon magical material for use. I usually just use grimoires etc. as-is. |
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Post by IMIL ˙.˙ on Mar 3, 2022 17:16:08 GMT
Gregory, thank you for the reference. A few sources I've consulted include Manly Hall who wrote about the cult and its specific prominence in the Roman military, and traced some lineages through Egypt and Persia. Grant references a few others, Massey and Machen among others, which are more specific to the Egyptian lineage. I was surprised when I reviewed the Sirius Mystery, I did not find a direct reference, although I need to read that again, but it does not appear in the index. I believe Alogos uses some related formula as well. Given its precursor Father Mithros as Baphomitr, it seems like a very key influence of the overall Ophidian gnosis. Underneath those Masonic and OTO embodiment must lie the core formulas of the original rite. Honestly I did not get to any invocations, I got to the opening where the Dawn is mentioned (just reading, no ritual context), and thats when I had to stop, my consciousness shifted to the mode where I beheld the Dawn in all its glory, I was not ready for that. It appears there are some elements of ingress even before the barbarous names. I also have a suspicion there is a close relation to the Divine Chariot and Merkaba, just intuitively which makes sense on a few levels. Grant has packed a lot of information in this chapter (including calling out the warnings) which needs assimilation given his multidimensional approach to encoding information. David Ulnasey's work looks promising. Hopefully I can get back to the rite soon, but man it is a spicy one! Strangely enough, the actual Mithraic liturgy (surviving) strongly resembles Thelemic concepts and language, the OTO connection being self-evident: From the book: The "Mithras Liturgy": Text, Translation and Commentary by Hans Dieter Betz Probably because that is where Crowley and others derived their work. Interestingly, the hissing and popping sounds described in that snippet are also found in a particular evocation of Hekate found in the PGM aswell. I'm having trouble finding it at present. I will keep looking. I always read them as the sounds of the animals attributed to her. EDIT: Found it!  |
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Post by IMIL ˙.˙ on Mar 3, 2022 17:23:49 GMT
I have worked with it in the past (modifying it from the PGM) for a few seasons around Spring Equinox, with interesting results. How did you modify it? did you bring it into the new Aeon? or something more personal? I'm very interested in how Thelemites modify old aeon magical material for use. I usually just use grimoires etc. as-is. I've used Jake Stratton-Kent's "Goetic Liturgy" to reshape some grims for a more personal approach. I'd give that a try. I think his aims were more along the lines of bringing grimoires out from the stranglehold of Christianized liturgical sudo-witchcraft rather than bathe them in the light of Thelema's liturgy. Although, Thelema's liturgy is derived from similar sources so perhaps the point is moot. |
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Post by The Double-Wanded One on Mar 6, 2022 22:45:50 GMT
Probably because that is where Crowley and others derived their work. Interestingly, the hissing and popping sounds described in that snippet are also found in a particular evocation of Hekate found in the PGM aswell. I'm having trouble finding it at present. I will keep looking. I always read them as the sounds of the animals attributed to her. EDIT: Found it! <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> It'd be interesting to know which Mithraic texts Crowley would've had access to then, because the one I quoted is published well after Crowley's lifetime. |
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Post by IMIL ˙.˙ on Mar 7, 2022 15:10:01 GMT
Probably because that is where Crowley and others derived their work. Interestingly, the hissing and popping sounds described in that snippet are also found in a particular evocation of Hekate found in the PGM aswell. I'm having trouble finding it at present. I will keep looking. I always read them as the sounds of the animals attributed to her. EDIT: Found it! <button disabled="" class="c-attachment-insert--linked o-btn--sm">Attachment Deleted</button> It'd be interesting to know which Mithraic texts Crowley would've had access to then, because the one I quoted is published well after Crowley's lifetime. Probably the same ones Mathers had access to, whatever they may be. We know for a fact Crowley had access to "Charles Wycliffe Goodwin, Fragment of a Græco-Egyptian Work Upon Magic" He pretty much took the entirety of a work called the "Stele of Jeu" and reworked it to make his Liber Samekh. |
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. Just my disturbed sense of humor...seems like a good read, thanks for the tip.
