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Post by jordano on Aug 8, 2018 14:29:52 GMT
After much reflection, I personally affirm that "overthrowing the Old Aeon" does not just refer to a political and social overthrowing of outdated Judeo-Christian "values", but also bears connotation of a Cosmic import in regards to the Evolution of Consciousness.
On the Cosmic Plane, "old" refers to age-old archetypes that have been so deeply assimilated in the collective unconscious that they have now become "overused" and as a result no longer effective in assisting Humanity to attain the "next step". I am referring to, of course, to the Solomonic Grimoire Tradition with its "mythos" and nomenclature of "angels and demons" that no longer correspond to our understanding of the Magickal Universe.
The purpose of the New Aeon was to stir currents allowing Adepts to uncover "new" symbols under the guise of Extraterrestrial Intelligence that the novelty of these symbols would effectively awaken Kundalini Force (or Genius) through the sheer newness of these "yet to be assimilated" archetypes. "wine and strange drugs" in a figurative sense.
Perhaps this was the hidden reason Crowley later abandoned such archaic practices like Evocation and Goetia in favor of Tantric Sex Magick practices. Also, "success is your proof", and how many instances do we see "aliens" mentioned in popular media (however misinformed or misguided is not important here) while the Grimoire Scholars are becoming ever so more Elitist in their Academic high-brow "knowledge". It may be a stretch, but to my perception they are almost becoming "black brothers" at this point, playing with "old sweetnesses" and not moving forward in any practical manner.
To me, Kenneth Grant helped provide a workable framework for magicians desirous to work with "new symbols" or Great Old Ones in a new context. When I began reading the Typhonian Trilogies, I definitely knew "this is my path", because for me Magick was always about means to reach higher states of Consciousness, whatever methods may do so, rather than get caught up in tedious and absurd instructions to "fashion a dagger out of a goat's horn between 3 and 5 pm etc. etc. etc." which are more distracting than helpful in training the Mind.
This is just a brief instance of how his legacy helped move Magick forward beyond old and outdated archetypes.
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Post by N0T 2 on Aug 9, 2018 14:27:00 GMT
Perhaps this was the hidden reason Crowley later abandoned such archaic practices like Evocation and Goetia in favor of Tantric Sex Magick practices. Also, "success is your proof", and how many instances do we see "aliens" mentioned in popular media (however misinformed or misguided is not important here) while the Grimoire Scholars are becoming ever so more Elitist in their Academic high-brow "knowledge". It may be a stretch, but to my perception they are almost becoming "black brothers" at this point, playing with "old sweetnesses" and not moving forward in any practical manner. To me, Kenneth Grant helped provide a workable framework for magicians desirous to work with "new symbols" or Great Old Ones in a new context. When I began reading the Typhonian Trilogies, I definitely knew "this is my path", because for me Magick was always about means to reach higher states of Consciousness, whatever methods may do so, rather than get caught up in tedious and absurd instructions to "fashion a dagger out of a goat's horn between 3 and 5 pm etc. etc. etc." which are more distracting than helpful in training the Mind.
Armchair occultists are like Black Brothers, I find.
Did you actually follow the, to you, "tedious and absurd" (for... a book of... magic spells?) instructions, or just read them and went "nah that'll never work"?
Did you consider the wholly orthodox modernist notion that the "tedium and absurdity" might be part of inducing the "state of consciousness" you seem fixated upon as the raison d'etre (rather than a part of a process, technique, or effect) of magic, in that practical idiom?
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Post by jordano on Aug 9, 2018 20:09:00 GMT
Perhaps this was the hidden reason Crowley later abandoned such archaic practices like Evocation and Goetia in favor of Tantric Sex Magick practices. Also, "success is your proof", and how many instances do we see "aliens" mentioned in popular media (however misinformed or misguided is not important here) while the Grimoire Scholars are becoming ever so more Elitist in their Academic high-brow "knowledge". It may be a stretch, but to my perception they are almost becoming "black brothers" at this point, playing with "old sweetnesses" and not moving forward in any practical manner. To me, Kenneth Grant helped provide a workable framework for magicians desirous to work with "new symbols" or Great Old Ones in a new context. When I began reading the Typhonian Trilogies, I definitely knew "this is my path", because for me Magick was always about means to reach higher states of Consciousness, whatever methods may do so, rather than get caught up in tedious and absurd instructions to "fashion a dagger out of a goat's horn between 3 and 5 pm etc. etc. etc." which are more distracting than helpful in training the Mind.
Armchair occultists are like Black Brothers, I find.
Did you actually follow the, to you, "tedious and absurd" (for... a book of... magic spells?) instructions, or just read them and went "nah that'll never work"?
Did you consider the wholly orthodox modernist notion that the "tedium and absurdity" might be part of inducing the "state of consciousness" you seem fixated upon as the raison d'etre (rather than a part of a process, technique, or effect) of magic, in that practical idiom?
No I have not tried those methods, because mainly I find them not financially affordable in this day and age and quite frankly, they're just archaic and outdated. For me Magick was always philosophically and technically speaking, something more along the lines of Austin Spare's spontaneous sigil creation and manifestation through that almost primeval and subconscious manner. I find all those fancy props to be crutches to the Pure Willpower required in magick. |
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Post by N0T 2 on Aug 17, 2018 7:30:47 GMT
No I have not tried those methods, because mainly I find them not financially affordable in this day and age and quite frankly, they're just archaic and outdated. For me Magick was always philosophically and technically speaking, something more along the lines of Austin Spare's spontaneous sigil creation and manifestation through that almost primeval and subconscious manner. I find all those fancy props to be crutches to the Pure Willpower required in magick.
Soo...ookay, you haven't tried traditional methods used since, as far as we can tell, at least the Iron age (probably earlier), right up to the present day, by magicians of literally every flavour: goetics, Thelemites, GDers, Wiccans, Actual Witches, Christians, Jews, Satanists, Atheists, Chaoists, Masons, New Agers, Hermeticists, Martinists, with its close cognate forms in Tantric, Voodoo and Taoist practices and others around the world in traditional societies that have never lost their magical worldview.
Despite this definitive, self-admitted disqualification, you declare they are all "just archaic and outdated", as though it's a fashion statement.
Nothing wrong with preferring different approaches, but pronouncing value judgements upon things you have no experience of, using second-third-hand opinions of others, doesn't really help the case.
I paid little attention to the medieval and older materials between the ages of fifteen and thirty five. In the last ten years, however, I find inestimable value in all the old stuff, from popular superstitions to the formal practices, even where they occur within a worldview whose spelling I find uncool (the judeaochristian spam). There is always something to soak up from people who walked the talk back in the day, if you know how to look at it, even if actually trying it out is beyond your current means (despite condoning Spare's sorcery).
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Post by JMH on Sept 9, 2018 21:39:57 GMT
Just throwing my 2 cents in,
The term OLD, Ancient, Elder was explained by KG as not being of time past or forgotten lore but of being "Pre" human wave ( I translate it as being the structure in which consciousness manifests). With this in mind and with a little Holographic theory paradigm It tunneled me into studying, and trying my best to at least attempt to initiate myself into the Classical lore,
Of course Techniques developed 50 or 80 years ago will not, at first glance, seem relevant. But I believe that and have experienced results way more controlled and manageable since I started to incorporate and reflect on the transmitted data from the classical era of the revival (A.C , K.G,Chumbley ect..)
I am Chaos Magick(AOS/Caroll) trained originally and at first, I rejected many of the older material as being part of an outdated Aeonic provenance. I was having interesting results and a good time but then I stumbled upon the terminology,
Black Brother (as mentioned by NOT 2 above.)
And it resonated in me and stirred some foundation tenets I had not even considered before.
But as I learned,the tenth time I went trough Liber Null, It was never about doing exactly what was written;
Or course , fashioning a knife from a goats horn in a Hazel field at dawn ect could seem unattainable or expensive;
Staying one one foot doing high level yogic breathing exercise is beyond my physical ability,
But I believe the point was never to mimick what you read in the texts;
The texts are rather there to explain to you the amount of will and dedication needed in the performing of the Magickal tasks.
An example that hit me hard was the basic 3 exercise in Liber Null.
Death posture,
Breathing exercise,
Visualisation.
To be considered as initiate in the IOT, you have to do 30 minute of these everyday for a year and every time you fail any of the 3s, you have to start over.
Practices like that are basically un achievable when you have to work 9-5 and deal with the bullshit of modern life.
I tried and tried again until one day, it gave me some wisdom; It was never about succeeding, it was always about fathoming the amount off willpower and discipline required to perform any kind of controlled and successful magick.
I was also to prepare the initiate to delve into the overwhelming maelstrom of Modern occult.
Of course, the new Aeonic current is one of Artist-initiate and the discovery of Eggregorial permutations beyond the scope of the "old and outdated' Ascended masters.
Sure, I read some KG or AC and I find some stuff to be tedious and absurd, but then, I keep on reading and I try to get at least past the grammatical boundaries that make classic read so hard to process.
What I get out of it, similarly to my IOT practices example, It gives me a clear view of the amount of will and dedication it requires to attempt any magick at all.
It is my belief that ceremonial rites of our predecessors, even tho they are now difficult to enact, are meant as Alchemical material needed to build and comprehend the depth of the great work.
Hence why KG appealed to me,
All this to say:
The Typhonian tradition is literally the use of discarded or frowned upon ressources (tedious and outdate?) to be used and transmuted to continue the tradition and revival of the Magickal current.
if you catch my drift,
JMH
PS: Before starting to really try my best at reading the Classical lore (the revival literature in general) ALL my magick was destructive on some level.Micro and nano intentions would slip in my sigils only to blow in my face later on,I would even perform rituals on myself in'' Teatro del ombre'' ( Without my knowledge). The Classical literature is an infinite source of tools and technologies designed for the purpose of preparing the devotes to the reality and advancement of Practical magick.
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Post by JMH on Sept 9, 2018 21:57:51 GMT
There is always something to soak up from people who walked the talk back in the day, if you know how to look at it, even if actually trying it out is beyond your current means.
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Post by N0T 2 on Sept 27, 2018 19:11:49 GMT
Just throwing my 2 cents in, The term OLD, Ancient, Elder was explained by KG as not being of time past or forgotten lore but of being "Pre" human wave ( I translate it as being the structure in which consciousness manifests). With this in mind and with a little Holographic theory paradigm It tunneled me into studying, and trying my best to at least attempt to initiate myself into the Classical lore, Of course Techniques developed 50 or 80 years ago will not, at first glance, seem relevant. But I believe that and have experienced results way more controlled and manageable since I started to incorporate and reflect on the transmitted data from the classical era of the revival (A.C , K.G,Chumbley ect..) I am Chaos Magick(AOS/Caroll) trained originally and at first, I rejected many of the older material as being part of an outdated Aeonic provenance. I was having interesting results and a good time but then I stumbled upon the terminology, Black Brother (as mentioned by NOT 2 above.) And it resonated in me and stirred some foundation tenets I had not even considered before. But as I learned,the tenth time I went trough Liber Null, It was never about doing exactly what was written; Or course , fashioning a knife from a goats horn in a Hazel field at dawn ect could seem unattainable or expensive; Staying one one foot doing high level yogic breathing exercise is beyond my physical ability, But I believe the point was never to mimick what you read in the texts; The texts are rather there to explain to you the amount of will and dedication needed in the performing of the Magickal tasks. An example that hit me hard was the basic 3 exercise in Liber Null. Death posture, Breathing exercise, Visualisation. To be considered as initiate in the IOT, you have to do 30 minute of these everyday for a year and every time you fail any of the 3s, you have to start over. Practices like that are basically un achievable when you have to work 9-5 and deal with the bullshit of modern life. I tried and tried again until one day, it gave me some wisdom; It was never about succeeding, it was always about fathoming the amount off willpower and discipline required to perform any kind of controlled and successful magick. I was also to prepare the initiate to delve into the overwhelming maelstrom of Modern occult. Of course, the new Aeonic current is one of Artist-initiate and the discovery of Eggregorial permutations beyond the scope of the "old and outdated' Ascended masters. Sure, I read some KG or AC and I find some stuff to be tedious and absurd, but then, I keep on reading and I try to get at least past the grammatical boundaries that make classic read so hard to process. What I get out of it, similarly to my IOT practices example, It gives me a clear view of the amount of will and dedication it requires to attempt any magick at all. It is my belief that ceremonial rites of our predecessors, even tho they are now difficult to enact, are meant as Alchemical material needed to build and comprehend the depth of the great work. Hence why KG appealed to me, All this to say: The Typhonian tradition is literally the use of discarded or frowned upon ressources (tedious and outdate?) to be used and transmuted to continue the tradition and revival of the Magickal current. if you catch my drift, JMH PS: Before starting to really try my best at reading the Classical lore (the revival literature in general) ALL my magick was destructive on some level.Micro and nano intentions would slip in my sigils only to blow in my face later on,I would even perform rituals on myself in'' Teatro del ombre'' ( Without my knowledge). The Classical literature is an infinite source of tools and technologies designed for the purpose of preparing the devotes to the reality and advancement of Practical magick.
I'd also agree with Jordano that some of the published editions of grimoire material suffer from what I call "poncy fail syndrome", but this can be as true of Thelemic and chaos authors as it is of those. Imagine being Jesus and then later on seeing Gideons in an hotel drawer. That is probably how Aiwass would feel, if he existed. Only a randy dove could have that much patience!
There is a lot of material online now that is directly available from the libraries themselves, manuscripts owned and copied by traditional magicians, and other types. It is an eye-opener. It confirms the absolute subjectivity of the details of the magical universe and yet the coherence of core elements of technique and theme for inducing the processes of evocation or whatever else. To hell with the postmodern sandwich-eaters. We want brains, please.
Grant is the first author to really connect this fact with Eastern principles of contemplation and then apply the result to everyone else's mind, to my knowledge, although Crowley nearly went there, but kept getting in the way.
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Post by JMH on Sept 28, 2018 3:16:48 GMT
In Grant Morrisson's "The invisibles" there is a passage that I always use to explain how I go in the study of magick;
Two of the Characters are having a conversation and at some point, the alphabetical characters turn into gibberish symbols. Another character who is watching them turns to his friend, puzzled and ask "what language are they using?" His friend then says this: "They are speaking Complex, A language that has 64 letters in its alphabet, A language so advanced that it is impossible to learn it, you can only attune yourself to realize when you are speaking it."
I think the parabole is a very useful one when looking at all the diverse data pertaining to the occult. The message is beyond understanding, but the lore is there so you can be conscious when you start using the complex language of Magick. To me, this is what is I get in John Dee's Enochian language. A Symbole to be used to decrypt the sacred knowledge offered to the initiate.
It is clearly stated in Liber Al, that the book is not to be studied, Heck, ''God'' said ''Though I have many things to write to you, I do not want to do so with paper and ink''. To take writings for more than guidelines is to step into Daedalus without a silver chord.
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