Typhonian priestesses

[banshee]

Hi!



When reading the books by Grant, I paid attention to the fact that several priestesses of the New Isis Lodge died, including Klenda (whose personality is very interesting). Could you tell us about these circumstances, please?

[Sutekh]

Clanda went to Australia,the deaths you refer to are metaphysical rather than the physical.

[John Hope]

Clanda Fayne (Vilma) or Barbara Kindred died when the ship she was a passenger on sunk, there are some reports of Egypt but also that she died en route to New Zealand. There's a photo of her in the Starfire edition of The Magical Revival. Some readers have the opinion that the deaths were symbolic but I seem to recall some research was done on Clanda years ago and various evidence was found that she did in fact die as described.

[N0T 2]

Mar 21, 2018 19:35:59 GMT banshee said:

Hi!



When reading the books by Grant, I paid attention to the fact that several priestesses of the New Isis Lodge died, including Klenda (whose personality is very interesting). Could you tell us about these circumstances, please?

Grant is the only author who knew her, and he wrote all that is known about her in public domain. The earliest material appears to be in the Man Myth and Magic article, then the Trilogies. 

Apr 2, 2018 3:04:41 GMT 10 sutekh said:

Clanda went to Australia,the deaths you refer to are metaphysical rather than the physical.

In contradiction to everything Grant - the only author who wrote about her from personal experience - wrote on what was clearly an important figure in his life, we are to instead take a pseudonymous random internet stranger with four posts' advice as to what really happened to Clanda, with no supporting references. I'm convinced.

[Sutekh]

Apr 5, 2018 17:15:23 GMT John Hope said:

Clanda Fayne (Vilma) or Barbara Kindred died when the ship she was a passenger on sunk, there are some reports of Egypt but also that she died en route to New Zealand. There's a photo of her in the Starfire edition of The Magical Revival. Some readers have the opinion that the deaths were symbolic but I seem to recall some research was done on Clanda years ago and various evidence was found that she did in fact die as described.

If you read the Nu-Isis Manifesto you will see that a metaphysical death is referenced from those who separate themselves from the current.If you can name the ship,that Clanda sailed on to Australia,whose name slips my mind, you will find from Lloyd's of London that it did not sink.She also used the magical name Hamsa (Swan),she was also the 'stolen property' that Spare made a talisman for Gerald Gardner to get her back from Nu-Isis Lodge, which resulted in a manifestation at one of the rituals of an elemental of Spares creation.Images and Oracles of Austin Osman Spare by Kenneth Grant will give you the 'Water Witch' story.

[N0T 2]

I made a mistake above - Grant's article The Water Witch appeared in Hans Holzer's Encyclopedia of Witchcraft and Demonology (1970), not Man Myth and Magic, where Grant's article is on Anandamayi Ma. I was a thousand miles from my library when I posted that.

The relevant, earliest published paragraph on Clanda's end is:

In 1970, Kenneth Grant said:

But the 'stolen property' (Clanda) was not restored to Gardner or his coven. Clanda, in point of fact, left England for New Zealand, but the ship she took was wrecked in a storm and, as far as I know, she was drowned. Did something from another world take Clanda back to her 'rightful place' as a Water Witch, the waves?

Nothing about it being metaphorical, no reference to Australia, rich as the place may be in its water and witches.

In Images and Oracles of Austin Osman Spare, he says:

In 1975, and again in 2003, Kenneth Grant said:

"But if Gardner thought that Clanda's rightful place was his witch cult, he was mistaken. She left England shortly after this incident and the ship she took was wrecked in a storm. There were two survivors and she was not one of them."

Sutekh , what proof do you have of your suggestion that she didn't die and instead went to Australia (I know it's a type of underworld, possibly even Hell itself sometimes, but really...)?