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Post by equinoxofthegods on Jan 23, 2018 22:05:35 GMT
Well met,
I am currently working with the Sabbatic Craft and researching the influence of Grant and the Typhonian Tradition upon Andrew Chumbley and the foundation of the Cultus Sabbati. It would seem obvious that Chumbley would have read Kenneth Grant's Essay "Vinum Sabbati" from Hidden Lore, and that it must have greatly influenced the development of the Sabbatic Craft but I haven't come across any direct reference to this in his writings.
I am missing the editions of Starfire Journal that have Chumbley's essays. Can anybody point me in the right direction to find references to these influences upon Chumbley?
This or any reference by him to Grant's work or the Typhonian Tradition would be greatly appreciated.
May the blessing, cursing and cunning be!
93! -Jared
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 4:09:39 GMT
Chumbley claims his early influence was from the cunning craft folk of the the Essex countryside. He also mentions strong influence by ZOS, which clearly shows in his art in Azoetia, Qtub, and Opuscula Magica. He has an interesting Sufi influence in his line art which blends in with his ZOS influence. I've not seen the Starfire articles. Grant mentions Chumbley in one of his books, perhaps Hecates Fountain, and also associates his work with ZOS. I recall reading that Chumbley was in Grant's OTO as well as the cult of the Sabbatic tradition.
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Post by equinoxofthegods on Jan 26, 2018 17:01:11 GMT
Yes, Chumbley had many influences in the development of his strain of Witchcraft and the traditions of the Cultus Sabbati. Aside from the more obvious sources of Traditional Witchcraft, cunning folk etc he also took great influence from the works of Spare and Grant. It is obvious from reading Vinum Sabbati that the essay had influence on Chumbley's early developments in the Sabbatic Craft ( the mysteries of the wine and grail, the dream made flesh, the unguentum sabbati etc) but I don't have a direct reference to this influence in writing. That said, any input on the nature of CHumbley's influence from the Typhonian Tradition and his time spent in the Typhonian OTO is appreciated!! Grant and Chumbley together founded the Ku-Sebittu Lodge as a joint lodge between the Cultus Sabbati and Typhonian OTO which is now operates solely within the Cultus Sabbati. This is outlined in Starfire Journal in Chumbley's essay "Making Way for the Demons of the Void" which i do not have a copy of
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Post by equinoxofthegods on Jan 26, 2018 17:13:31 GMT
For anyone interested here is a link to a reading of "Vinum Sabbati" on youtube: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kT6fl7IDFQALSO THIS... COPIED FROM XOANON SITE: xoanon.co.uk/sodalities/Ku-Sebittu The Ku-Sebittu originated as a cross-fertilisation, or Common Lodge, of the Sabbatic and Typhonian magical currents. Incepted in England by Fraters Alogos Dhul’Qarnen Khidir of the Cultus Sabbati and Aossic Aiwass of the Ordo Typhonis on August 7, 1994, its essential manifesto was outlined in Andrew D. Chumbley’s essay “Opening the Way for the Daemons of the Void”. Subsequent to its founding, the Ku-Sebittu separated itself from the Typhonian Order and became wholly subsumed within the Cultus Sabbati. The work proper ceased in 2000, having brought a number of its aims to fruition. The present phase of work of the Ku Sebittu, under the magistry of Akarais Hran-Issiyah, is empowered within the present stellar mysteria of the Column of the Crooked Path, an inner cell whose quintessential foci of Stellar Gnosis originate with the constellation of Draconis, and radiate outward through the body of adepts. Work on-going involves the further development of the stellar body, the development of stellar arcana and sorcery in the context of Witchcraft lore, and the metal-sidereal applications of the Light of the Seven Stars.
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Post by Michael Staley on Jan 26, 2018 19:37:41 GMT
Andrew's involvement with the Typhonian O.T.O. dates from the early 1990s. He had sent a copy of Azoëtia to Kenneth Grant, and they started corresponding. Grant suggested that Cultus Sabbati might consider affiliation to the Typhonian O.T.O., in pursuit of which Andrew and two of his colleagues became members. There were Workings between members of the two Orders within the Ku-Sebbittu Lodge, which was founded for that purpose.
Sometime towards the end of the 1990s Andrew's membership of and involvement with the Typhonian O.T.O. ceased, though as already stated the Ku-Sebbittu Lodge was subsumed within Cultus Sabbati.
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Post by equinoxofthegods on Jan 26, 2018 22:28:32 GMT
Thanks for the info, Michael.
Any other references to influences from Grant or the Typhonian tradition would be greatly appreciated!!
Aside from "Cult of the Divine Artist" in Starfire Vol 2 no 1 and "Making Way for the Daemons of the Void" in Vol 2 no 2 did Chumbley contribute any other writings to Starfire or make any other written or artistic contributions while a member of TOTO?
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Post by Michael Staley on Jan 26, 2018 22:47:50 GMT
I had many conversations with Andrew over the years that he was associated with the Typhonian O.T.O., and I can't recall references to specific areas of Grant's work nor to specific areas of the Typhonian Tradition. On the other hand, he may have written more specifically amongst his papers which were, I understand, sent over to the USA.
There was an article in the fifth issue (1994) of Volume 1 of Starfire, 'Wisdom for the New Flesh'. This was republished in Ecpyrosis (2010), a selection of articles from the first five issues of Starfire.
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Post by equinoxofthegods on Jan 26, 2018 23:11:07 GMT
Awesome. Thanks a lot for the info Michael. I still have to get a copy of Ecpyrosis. All the best.
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Post by The Double-wanded One on Jan 29, 2019 7:08:58 GMT
I never had previous access to any Chumbley books other than the Azoetia in the past, but now I do and I'm really impressed by his work actually. I already know much of his sources/influences he draws from but there is something fresh and inspiring about both his attitude to magic/occultism and the way his sources/influences have been organically transmutated into his system and philosophy.
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Post by The Double-wanded One on Dec 30, 2020 2:49:09 GMT
Chumbley's work is very powerful, he made amazing use of his resources and produced both amazing magic and amazing art. Total unification of the two, in a Blake and Spare manner.
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Post by Banyan on Aug 25, 2021 4:49:50 GMT
Chumbley's work has struck me recently as an expression of the formulae of the Zos Kia Cultus as applied to the witch-cult. I found that studying Spare gave me much better insight into what Chumbley was doing.
It's been some time since I've read it, but The Dragon Book of Essex seems to run along the same lines as some of Grant's work, so that might be a good place to look if you're interested in what he did with Ophidian/Draconian concepts.
Reading any of Spare, Grant or Chumbley seem to illuminate the other two in my experience. They're not identical by any means but they seem to be connected in some way.
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Post by The Double-Wanded One on Feb 16, 2022 5:59:17 GMT
Recently over at Lashtal, I described Chumbley's work as "Thelema-adjacent" and via the Typhonian context, that is a fair description. There is nothing overtly Thelemic about Chumbley's work (even though he was a member of an OTO at one point), Chumbley's work doesn't center around Liber Legis or any Thelemic concepts, texts, rituals etc.
Chumbley's style is definitely reminiscent of AO Spare, as someone mentioned. Blake, Spare and Chumbley feel to be made of the same cloth in my view. All three artistic, mystical/magical visionaries working in strictly individualistic styles reminiscent of what we know as "Chaos Magic" except working off the mythology aspect.
In the manner that Kenneth Grant incorporates AOS into Thelema within the Typhonian trilogies, so too can Chumbley's work be incorporated into Thelema using the same process.
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