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Post by Vadge Moore on Oct 17, 2013 15:58:20 GMT
This is an element of the Typhonian Gnosis that has always obsessed me. Grant has a chapter on this, of the same name, in Outside the Circles of Time. Strangely enough, I just found this blog by horror writer Clive Barker that is certainly comparable to Grant's thoughts:
"I am here for The Other. I am here for whatever form of monstrousness or freakishness the filmmakers can provide, be it Blob, Thing, Werewolf, Vampire, Alien, Zombie, Patchwork Corpse Animated by Lightning, etc. It is the creature that stands at the center of horror movies, not those who have made it their business to bring the beast down. We're all the same. The easiest test of this theory? Try and remember the names of the protagonists (or the actors who play them) in 20 great horror movies. It will be difficult. But you'll remember the monsters. We always remember the monsters.
" It's horror, after all. It's not supposed to be pretty, or comforting, or humane. It's a confrontation, in the end, with something we're half-afraid to see, and half-afraid not to see. Death. Madness. Loss of Control. Chaos." --- Clive Barker
We're afraid to see the absence, the non-being that is the substratum of our psyche and manifest existence. This fear manifests as Monsters.
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Post by Marc on Oct 17, 2013 16:19:20 GMT
Wow, that is a powerful statement you posted above from Clive Barker's blog. I've never read it. I completely agree. I've been obsessed with horror genre and pretty much anything that disturbs or that is alien to our world. I'm wondering if what Clive mentions we're afraid to see and half-afraid not to ....are perhaps veils to other chambers of our psyche that have a much different appearance once we pierce through them. It's like it is said of the various horrible creatures in Lovecraft's works...their ugliness and hideousness is only for those who haven't embraced them for the archetypes they represent.
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Post by Vadge Moore on Oct 17, 2013 17:28:56 GMT
Marc- That's what Grant's Nightside of Eden is all about. Once you pierce through the horror, you realize you were only clinging to an illusion...the ego.
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Post by Marc on Oct 17, 2013 17:59:54 GMT
Absolutely Vadge, but it seems as though only a select few seem to be pulled or called into that direction. This reminds me of the 28th path of Tzaddi on the Tree of Life...whereas the Fish Hook would symbolize an initiatory force pulling you in rather than you knocking on the door ...the doors can also perhaps knock as well. I've always believed that it is not us that seek communion with our HGA but the reverse, yet it is up to us to pay attention to the subtle knocks along the path of our true Will. With such a lopsided approach by most (who neglect the reflexes of the paths and sephiroth)...how can a person experience the whole spectrum let alone be aware of initiatory forces at work within them? Nightside of Eden is in my opinion one of the most important texts in existence today. I would put it up there with the Sefer Yetzirah. Another really good treatise on the nightside is the book: www.amazon.com/Qabalah-Qliphoth-Goetic-Thomas-Karlsson/dp/0972182063Perhaps the ego constructs horrible illusory perceptions of these forces as a safety mechanism so we don't rush into interaction without proper preparation. One would not dive into the Abyss from Malkuth without proper ascension first. Can I say I love this forum?! Wow |
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Post by Vadge Moore on Oct 17, 2013 18:07:17 GMT
Marc- I believe my Angel has been sitting back, waiting, filing His nails, yawning now and then...until finally he recognizes my movement towards Him...and yells..."Finally!"  Yes, I believe the ego does try to protect itself by masking these things as horrible. |
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Post by Marc on Oct 17, 2013 18:12:37 GMT
Haha...yes unfortunately our Angels must deal with the human condition (laziness)  |
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Post by Vadge Moore on Oct 17, 2013 18:15:05 GMT
That and just pure blindness...but we eventually come around.
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Post by voudongnostic16 on Dec 8, 2013 20:49:14 GMT
Thanks for that Clive Barker quote Vadge!! What he speaks there is so true and I have always been a horror movie fan!  It's like Pinhead says in Hellraiser... "Demon to some, Angel to others!" Haha.... if my HGA appeared to me as Pinhead I would be ready to become "The Doctor"!! LOL  (for the lack of demon smilies!) |
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Post by voudongnostic16 on Dec 8, 2013 21:05:16 GMT
Incidentally... if anyone would like a really DARK dark ambient CD to listen to for meditations into the shadow realms, I highly recommend the Lustmord album entitled 'The Monstrous Soul'!!!! For myself, it is still one of the darkest albums I have ever delved into and I specifically reserve listening to this album for such inner-journeys. There are a select few others as well, but this album is amazing!!!! www.discogs.com/Lustmord-The-Monstrous-Soul/release/91326 |
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Post by jcurwen on Dec 11, 2013 22:53:30 GMT
I feel this concept is one of the main thing that differentiates the Typhonian mindstate; It would seem that both KG and Bertiaux are in agreement that the practitioner must adopt horrific masks to explore the various planes... which is why these practices are more fun than trying to be a Rosicrucian or something. A good meditation actually is of a cenobyte-type destruction and re-building. The Chod practice of Tibet is along these lines, summoning demons to destroy ones ego as a form of purification...I believe Clive Barker was influenced by this when he created Hellraiser; some of the imagery corresponds to descriptions of Tibetan wrathful spirits.
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Post by christibrany on Dec 12, 2013 2:59:12 GMT
Good post Vadge. It's true even in it's most literal wording.. the soul is monstrous in a sense, as life is monstrous. In a Lovecraftian sense, life is an abomination and is something that is always striving against it's true nature, which I believe is a love of the void.
And Dawn nice to see you again, thanks for the lustmord link I really like him.
The gist of this thread is always why I was attracted to Kali as well. A destructive force towards a more powerful and slimmed down version of the individual.
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Post by Gregory Peters on Dec 12, 2013 4:16:15 GMT
Great post Vadge. Atu XV: The Devil is a visual representation of some aspects of this idea that the absolute or that which is the most true is masked/obscured by the horrific shadowy realms. A light so bright, it can only be perceived as Darkness.
jcurwen, you are spot on with the Chod practices. Similarly the cremation ground sadhanas of the vamachara sects of tantra for the goddess Kali and others. The ultimate reality is masked by grotesque and horrific imagery.
Nightside of Eden is one of my favorites from the Trilogies btw! Currently re-reading it.
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Post by Gregory Peters on Dec 12, 2013 4:21:54 GMT
voudongnostic16, thanks for the lustmord post - great stuff!
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Post by Invoke Often on Feb 20, 2014 14:41:38 GMT
Nice thread. I recently chimed in on a thread elsewhere where people were discussing the spirituality of Authority and whether any of the heinous allegations of human trafficking and devil worship at any point are valid or bear any resemblance to actual Left Hand Path/ Kenneth Grant practices. The discussion was triggered by the new TV series True Detective in which the Yellow King plays a part. This was one of my comments.
" I think also that this whole notion of human sacrifice/ human pain harvesting/ soul cracking is a relic of the Osirian age, the demonic forces out there will give you a lot more back for your sexual energy or your own pain than they will a dead baby on an altar, it should be said real demonic interaction goes much more along the lines of Hellraiser than the whole cheesy hammer films scenario of kill the virgin = see the goat."
Oh and Dawn, you are a true psychic thunder stealer, as soon as I saw the threads title I had every intention of mentioning Lustmord's album, which is admittedly inspired by Kenneth Grant's work.
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Post by Marc on Feb 20, 2014 20:18:37 GMT
The powers of the astral creations that result from sexual work should not be underestimated. I think we should take this discussion further and carry it over to the thread I created on sexual magic. This would make for a very interesting discussion indeed |
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Post by Sloejinn on Apr 8, 2014 1:02:42 GMT
Yes, I believe the ego does try to protect itself by masking these things as horrible. In a similar sense, that the demon is merely the guardian of the sacred. That reminds of a scene from the movie 'Jacob's Ladder' where Louis is talking about dying: "Eckhart saw Hell too. He said: The only thing that burns in Hell is the part of you that won't let go of life, your memories, your attachments. They burn them all away. But they're not punishing you, he said. They're freeing your soul. So, if you're frightened of dying and... and you're holding on, you'll see devils tearing your life away. But if you've made your peace, then the devils are really angels, freeing you from the earth." |
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Post by dustin on Apr 10, 2014 21:11:48 GMT
This is a rather interesting to read because I am a fan of Clive Barker and his writings. What I find funny about this that he is a Christian (of sorts) and that he finds inspiration within the Bible, yet his literary work is more suitable for someone who deals with the Night side.
On the topic of suitable listening, I have found interesting results with Dimmu Borgir's album Abrahadabra. Much of the album is laden with Typhonian symbolism.
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