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Post by Marc on Oct 20, 2013 2:10:05 GMT
In many of the Western Esoteric Traditions, especially Thelema and the Golden Dawn, we find many symbols, lamens, seals, etc...
In Thelema, for example, we have the Star of Babalon, the O.T.O. lamen and other lamens used by Crowley over time.
As we are well aware, each of these symbols contains a world of meaning behind a seemingly simple diagram.
I've always wondered what symbols/diagrams/lamens if any are specific to the Typhonian Tradition. There are always hints in Kenneth Grant's books but I've never seen anything official.
This is just something I've always wondered about...I would love to hear about the symbolism that underlies the Typhonian Tradition.
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Post by Vadge Moore on Oct 20, 2013 2:13:10 GMT
Well, there are the symbols or sigils of the Tunnels of Set all through the second part of Nightside of Eden...and there is Grant's Seal of Aossic that can be found in many of his books.
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Post by Marc on Oct 20, 2013 2:19:11 GMT
Yeah, I kind of figured the sigil of Aossic would be one of the main ones. The Tunnel sigils also. I guess I'm just curious to see if the scope of the current has ever been expressed in one diagram. Perhaps it hasn't or hasn't as of yet.
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Post by Vadge Moore on Oct 20, 2013 2:21:48 GMT
I'm sure Mr. Staley would be happy to oblige us a complete answer
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Post by Marc on Oct 20, 2013 2:24:10 GMT
In this case...the stage is open to Mr. Staley
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Post by Gregory Peters on Oct 20, 2013 8:44:44 GMT
On a similar note, it would be interesting to hear about some of the symbolism contained in the lamen of the Ordo Typhonis.
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Post by Marc on Oct 20, 2013 14:10:49 GMT
Indeed it would be. I think this is definitely Mr. Staley's department though.
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Post by stephen on Oct 25, 2013 14:50:39 GMT
I am not sure that the lamen of the Typhonian Order has been made known in published form as yet, therefore I am assuming that those of you who are expressing a particular interest in it are either members of the Order, or have at least expressed an interest in membership and seen the Manifesto on which the lamen appears. I was fortunate enough to be given the opportunity of making my suggestions regarding Kyle's original draft for the design and was pleased to discover that some of my observations were taken on board. However, I do not feel able to give a full interpretation of its symbolism. I would expect the lamen to make its appearance in the next issue of STARFIRE, where Michael may well feel inclined to expound on its significance.
The Eleven-pointed Talisman on the back dust cover of 'The Magical Revival' is another fine Typhonian symbol.
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Post by Vadge Moore on Oct 25, 2013 15:23:44 GMT
And there is, of course, the 13 pointed Star of Manifestation, from Achad.
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Post by Aleph on Oct 25, 2013 16:33:28 GMT
I think what is meant is the owl design (published in the previous Starfire, or somewhere else) which AC had envisaged as a forthcoming lamen-symbol of OTO.
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Post by Michael Staley on Oct 25, 2013 16:34:50 GMT
Achad developed several Stars and Seals of Manifestation, and enlarged on these in the course of his 1948/49 correspondence with Gerald Yorke, being prepared for publication.
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Post by Vadge Moore on Oct 25, 2013 17:26:12 GMT
Looking forward to that publication, Michael!
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Post by Gregory Peters on Nov 1, 2013 7:59:59 GMT
Regarding the owl symbolism of the lamen or seal of the Typhonian Order, there is some interesting material in OTCOT in the discussion of the Masks of Maat (pg.194)
"The blackness is totemized by the Mask of the Owl, which is worn by the priestess when she is assumed to the Mysteries of Binah and of Babalon.
"The owl is the Bird of Darkness associated with Athena, the militant goddess, thus showing a further connection with blood. Athena the weaver transformed Arachne into a spider, and is associated with Babalon-Odudua, the spider, being the supreme symbol of the Obeah Cult of the mystic Aub and of the Ophidian Current generally. Its number is 9, which links it with Yesod and the Loon."
(footnote: Odudua, the primal African Goddess and Queen of the city of Prostitution (Ado). She is the Od or Fire Snake, the Vechicle of the Ophidian Current).
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Post by Marc on Nov 1, 2013 17:06:40 GMT
The owl is a powerful symbol. Wasn't the owl also referenced as a mask in various abduction cases?
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Post by Gregory Peters on Nov 1, 2013 19:15:07 GMT
I believe that is correct Marc. Strange memories of an owl or a wolf are often associated with missing time / abduction experiences?
The owl has a wealth of symbolism. Really interested in hearing any sort of explanation on how the lamen of the Order came into place! Maybe it is indeed a talisman in the sense that rather having one official interpretation, it is meant to open gateways in consciousness for those that enter into it?
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Post by Marc on Nov 1, 2013 19:20:44 GMT
Just a thought but perhaps since the owl would have been the mask of the extraterrestrial in the initial stage would the owl as a symbol of the Order represent a mask for the order being a vehicle for the transmission of extraterrestrial current. Just a thought...
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Post by Gregory Peters on Nov 1, 2013 19:22:51 GMT
Just a thought but perhaps since the owl would have been the mask of the extraterrestrial in the initial stage would the owl as a symbol of the Order represent a mask for the order being a vehicle for the transmission of extraterrestrial current. Just a thought... I like that!
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Post by Vadge Moore on Nov 1, 2013 19:28:20 GMT
David Lynch, who is not a stranger to metaphysical and occult ideas, had the Owl represent the Alien intelligence that was manipulating things in Twin Peaks, through the influence of the Black and White Lodge. I was fully ensconced in Grant when Twin Peaks was on the air and the correspondences between that show and Grant's work were astounding. "Bob" was clearly an archetype for the lycanthropic current and the Forgotten Ones.
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Post by Gregory Peters on Nov 1, 2013 20:38:31 GMT
One more bit about symbolism and its importance in the Typhonian stellar gnosis:
Q. Is this the reason for the inclusion in your books of weird sigils, symbols, and outré art?
KG. At this primitive stage of man’s evolution the visual sense is of paramount importance.
(from Grant's interview in Skoob esoteric)
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Post by Marc on Nov 2, 2013 0:29:57 GMT
Vadge, you may or may not believe this but I only started watching Twin Peaks a few days ago! I had missed it when it originally aired and someone recommended it to me recently in light of my interests. I'm on the second episode now! This is interesting that it would come up in this thread
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Post by Vadge Moore on Nov 2, 2013 21:25:29 GMT
Marc- I believe it. Magical synchronicities happen to me all the time.
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Post by Marc on Nov 2, 2013 21:47:48 GMT
Well, in that light, ...episode 3 tonight I'm so glad you mentioned it because even last night as I watched episode 2, I had your post in mind! Wild! I think I'm actually happy that I am watching it for the first time after all these years with a sort of Typhonian perspective rather than having watched it and re-watching it to try and see the elements on second viewing.
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Post by Vadge Moore on Nov 2, 2013 21:57:19 GMT
Marc- Yes...reading Grant, or being aware of Typhonian themes, while watching Twin Peaks is quite a mind-fuck.
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Post by Frater Shaddad on Nov 7, 2013 3:03:49 GMT
A symbol that I feel represents the Typhonian Tradition perfectly is the Sigil of Set received by A.C. and depicted in Nightside of Eden.
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Nov 8, 2013 1:28:09 GMT
A symbol that I feel represents the Typhonian Tradition perfectly is the Sigil of Set received by A.C. and depicted in Nightside of Eden. Interesting choice. I know Grant states that Crowley "received" that sigil and maybe by "received" he is merely referring to the context in which it's presented in The Book of Lies where the symbol refers to the "sacrament" "which she gave me before She went away", i.e. Crowley received it from Laylah. However, Crowley himself states in the commentary that he took that symbol from a Gnostic talisman. I've never seen anyone actually follow that particular lead but it seems to be Crowley's own stylized rendering of the seal of Chnuphis (stylized to conceal the joke of the "Mandarin-Meals" chapter). I personally suspect he took it (or translated it) from the "Gnostic Talisman" of Chnuphis depicted in Hargrave Jennings' The Rosicrucians. If the front and back of Jennings' image are taken together one can see how Crowley may have come to his rendering of it. I could be wrong about this source but since Crowley was more than familiar with this work (he mentions it in his A.'.A.'. syllabus as "valuable to those who can read between the lines") and the image is explicitly titled "Gnostic Talisman" it seems very likely. There are several other ST/serpent and cross-like symbols, or monograms, in this book that may have also lent inspiration to Crowley's design. And Marc and Vadge, I love Twin Peaks ("the owls are not what they seem") as well as most of David Lynch's films. He is probably one of the most "mainstream" occult film-makers alive. His work is very oneiric. Out of his work Twin Peaks presents some of the most explicit depictions of occult ideas but probably because Lynch was not solely responsible for it. His films present much of the same themes in various ways but are a lot more esoteric. Check out Eraserhead and his more recent Inland Empire for a couple of serious mind-fucks. I resonate with the Owl and its symbolism in general. There is a character in German folklore that my girlfriend (from Germany) hipped me to a few years ago called Till Eulenspiegel; a kind of trickster figure who carries a mirror and is accompanied by an owl. In character and attribute he seems related to the Fool and the Incomparable Mullah Nasrudin. I will also second the mention of the Spider as a symbol that clearly speaks Typhonian current. Perhaps the Frog or Toad (the Batrachian/Anuran/Salientian Order, or the Leapers) fits into this scheme as well.
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