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Post by Marc on Oct 22, 2013 1:00:16 GMT
Hi Nalyd,
I love the book and Homo Serpiens also is awesome.
I know these threads can get real busy but I wanted to ask you (since you've worked with LAM and ET evocations) ...have you found any particular attributes as far as herbs, scents, colors, incense, etc...associated with LAM when you are evoking? I think I will use gray candles on the sides of the picture for the evocation. I'm not quite sure what else to add beyond that. I do love to be as elaborate as I can during ritual work (this is from my GD days I guess...it sets the tone).
Let me know what you suggest. Thanks so much!
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Oct 22, 2013 1:48:17 GMT
Yes you asked that before and I overlooked it. Sorry for that. By the time I get back to the forum and have some time to post there are always a string of new posts to look through.
I mentioned in my initial post here that for my LAM workings I use an incense called Kasturi Chandan which is a musk with sandal perfume blend made by Vithaldas Narayandas and Sons (just in case you try to look it up). I use one white candle to the left of the picture. I have a custom painted version of LAM made by my girlfriend. For me the colour that resonates the LAM current is yellow so my version of the painting is in yellow. I have no other reasoning for these requirements other than it felt right to me. All of those implements are personal and I would never tell someone it has to be done that way. You can see the basic set-up in my avatar. Not very complicated. That picture is in the negative so it's not the true colour of anything. The Thoth cards and crystal in the picture were part of a separate working and just looked good for the picture.
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Post by Marc on Oct 22, 2013 1:57:02 GMT
Interesting, as I suspected it would be completely subjective/creative. I'm not even sure where the color grey came from but it's just been in my mind since I've planned the evocation. I will definitely look up that incense. Ultimately, I know these things will change and adapt as I find my resonating scents, colors, etc..but it's always interesting to know what others have used. I'm thinking of blowing up the image of LAM and having a larger one to work with. I currently have a 8x10. Isn't the image beautiful? It's so drawing...I don't even have words to explain the feeling it creates. I've begun reading Communion from Strieber. I've found myself with a huge list of books to buy now
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Post by Marc on Oct 22, 2013 1:59:19 GMT
In Homo Serpiens, Kephas mentions something about LAM as the leader of a race of beings (if I remember correctly since it's been a while since I read that book). I think with Kephas it's some give and take with his material. Like we've discussed before, I've never seen LAM as an actual entity much like Set or Horus or others...but more of a conduit. Then again, this is not based on any personal interaction (yet).
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Post by christibrany on Nov 30, 2013 17:04:45 GMT
I was very involved in LAM working about 2 years ago. I would use the picture and later the painting I got from Gary Dickinson, to go into a trance, while chanting the LAM mantra. Each time, I would find myself on a planet that was usually purple or red in nature, some sort of (perhaps) astral version of Mars. There were always plentiful pyramids, and I would usually meet LAM inside one of these structures. Sometimes I was also in LAM form, and sometimes I do not know what I looked like. He seemed to want to communicate to me the power of the structure of the pyramid, as well as the importance of quartz crystal in meditation for programming. Very often there were strange black light torches in the pyramids as well. At other times one could be 'trapped' in his eyes in a kind of black void, which was a kind of relaxation. I am typing this from memory, there was a bit more useful but i hope this is at least interesting to someone
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Post by christibrany on Nov 30, 2013 17:08:29 GMT
Speaking about whitley striebers work I believe it has great merit. I believe he both had astral/alien/other experiences, as well as government intervention/tests designed to be construed as the Others. Around the same time I was working with LAM I also used to do meditations on communicating with the Visitors if you will, and one showed up in my room that night. First in dream, then when I woke up from fear, I rolled over and sat up and it was in my room visible to my naked eye, cloaked in some sort of digital pixels; when it realised I saw it it gave a noise like a robotic cat, and shot up through the ceiling... Various typhonian and magickal practises definitely create a more conducive environment for communicating with normally non-physical realities.
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Post by Marc on Nov 30, 2013 23:19:36 GMT
Christibrany, thank you for sharing those experiences with us. I love hearing about others' experiences with LAM workings. It's always inspiring. I fully agree with you on the Strieber material. I just recently began reading his stuff after Vadge mentioned it to me a bunch of posts back. I am almost done Communion and on to the next one
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Post by Gregory Peters on Jan 22, 2014 7:34:08 GMT
My work with Lam has mostly been as a type of astral mask or form that is assumed during workings developed out of the Lam serpent sadhana and the suggestions given in the Lam Statement on practice.
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Post by Gregory Peters on Dec 23, 2015 22:05:06 GMT
I had a feeling you guys would dig Jake's work. Usually when I recommend his books it seems to fall on deaf ears. Besides one other person you two are the first I've seen take notice. Back when I first read his Lucid View I was so impressed that I went out and bought several copies and gave them as gifts to various "friends" of mine at the time. I never heard from any of them again, haha! And I'm not kidding but it is funny. I just picked up a copy of Lucid View, thanks for the tip! (yes, I am actively posting on threads from several years ago, but you see the time line is all relative...)
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Dec 24, 2015 13:52:27 GMT
I just picked up a copy of Lucid View, thanks for the tip! (yes, I am actively posting on threads from several years ago, but you see the time line is all relative...) Cool but read with a grain of salt given that Jasun (Kephas) now seems to think of us magicians and occultists as part of a network of Satanic paedophiles and dubious social engineers.
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Post by Gregory Peters on Dec 24, 2015 20:27:14 GMT
Interesting! Perhaps he came too close to the fire and got burned?
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Dec 25, 2015 16:55:23 GMT
Interesting! Perhaps he came too close to the fire and got burned? Speaking of... I received an email notification this morning of Jasun's latest in a series of blog entries where he has been investigating this topic (Occult Yorkshire) and, lo and behold, it is about exactly what I just mentioned here with a picture of LAM to place it firmly into this thread - Child Abuse as Sex Magick. It is almost as if he knew I mentioned this here and then posted that the next day to rub my nose in it. I had a falling out with him over some of these issues several months back and have avoided mentioning any of it publicly since then to just let him have his cake.
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Post by Gregory Peters on Dec 25, 2015 19:22:28 GMT
I thought there was something off about that guy from his blog posts. Intuition confirmed. I will still read Lucid View however to see what insights he might have gained.
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Post by parsifal on Jun 11, 2016 0:51:38 GMT
Take the following account with a grain of salt. By no means does it represent a formal working with Lam, but I thought I would recount it here because the particulars are somewhat interesting. A couple nights ago, I was reading through this thread and contemplating doing some experiments with the method described by Grant in the Lam Statement, or perhaps working with Michael's Gateway evocation and Talam-Malat mantra. Later that evening, I was reading in bed (RAW's Cosmic Trigger, a vintage 1980s paperback!) and was getting sleepy, so I closed my eyes and meditated on the portrait of Lam. I was awakened by my wife and son coming up to bed. My son jumps onto the bed, climbs on top of me and gets up in my face, and makes a funny face at me, to make me laugh. That was the first thing that drew my attention. Elsewhere in this thread, Nalyd Khezr Bey describes Lam as a kind of "mask," so I found it striking that I fell asleep meditating on the mask/face of Lam, only to be awakened by my son making a screwy face/mask at me. That night I had a dream in which I found myself taking care of somebody's infant child in some sort of park or green place. At the risk of sounding like a hippie, the overall "vibe" of the dream was one of love. Weirdly, when I woke up in the morning, I initially thought the dream had been about a dog that I had been looking after. I laughed to myself, "How funny, the dog symbolizes Sirius. How perfect." Then I remembered that the dream wasn't about a dog at all, but about a child, and I immediately thought: Child Horus. Wow. The chain of associations was so suggestive: Lam=Sirius=Horus. Anyway, not a Lam working by any means, but interesting.
I know, I know. It's all in my head!
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Post by kylefite on Jun 13, 2016 0:41:11 GMT
An interesting series of events-and perhaps they will open the door to further explorations of the Lamian Mysteries. Sound guidance given to me through the Typhonian Order has been to establish momentum and allow the Work to develop its key themes in your Magical Universe. I'll also add that, in my own experience, events or experiences which seem powerful or significant in the moment may ultimately fade into the distance as more subtle and almost disregarded elements come to the fore. Hence, the value of the Magical Diary-and taking the "Crowleyan" approach in keeping it. I would describe work with Lam as very powerful and intense-but also (and at the same time) very quiet and very subtle.
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Post by Gregory Peters on Dec 1, 2016 19:56:36 GMT
I just picked up a copy of Lucid View, thanks for the tip! (yes, I am actively posting on threads from several years ago, but you see the time line is all relative...) Cool but read with a grain of salt given that Jasun (Kephas) now seems to think of us magicians and occultists as part of a network of Satanic paedophiles and dubious social engineers. Allow me to resurrect this thread from the mists of time. Although, I must admit, it does not seem that long ago. I wonder if the timelines get messed up when we engage in Typhonian work? Anyway, I digress... I just recently got around to discovering the Hidden Experience podcast, which I am enjoying immensely and recommend to all of you (https://hiddenexperience.blogspot.com/). Mike C is a good host, with a very interesting background that appears to involve UFO abduction experiences and a particular affinity with Owls. Most of the episodes are a few years old, so like I said I am playing catch up. One of the episodes is an interview with Jasun Horseley (Kephas) that I found full of very good insights. The interview left such a powerful impression on me that the night after listening to it, I had some very intense dreams that involved UFO's and the fabric of reality being "torn open", with a UFO beaming into my head. It was very bizarre and lifelike experience that life me feeling disoriented and in a cold sweat when I awoke. Find the episode here hiddenexperience.blogspot.com/2012/03/audio-conversation-with-jason-horsley.html
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Post by The Double-wanded One on Apr 6, 2018 4:50:24 GMT
Lam has been a long time interest of mine but I have usually kept it to myself. My first magical evocation back in the late 1990's was of the archetypal "grey alien" which has been associated with Lam over the years. I had no idea then about how to do evocations in the traditional sense so there were no preparations, banishings, formal ritual, etc. I took the idea of my first experiment from a book by Gregory Little called Grand Illusions. In a section about the experiments of Dr. Raymond Moody using a mirror chamber called a “psychomanteum“, Little casually mentions that one could conjure an alien with a mirror and a candle but he advised against it because this particular “alien” form tends to attract negative intelligences. Here is the passage: I first read Little’s book in 1994 but most of his ideas seemed to slip past me at that time. It wasn’t until I had a series of odd spontaneous experiences as a result of illness and meditation at the end of that year and into 1995 that his ideas began to really click. I read the book again in 1997 and that is when that passage jumped out at me. It was all I needed so I tried it. It took me about 20 minutes of staring at a candlelit dark mirror, tilted so that no image is seen, and concentrating on the idea of the alien and imagining what it looks like when three of them visually appeared for a few minutes staring at me then faded. Upon fading I sensed an uneasy presence behind me and couldn't manage to turn around. The feeling was identical to when you wake up from a nightmare and can't quite bring yourself to move for a while. That is when I forced my arm over to a lamp next to me and turned it on. The presence and feeling immediately went away. In all honesty I was actually quite shocked by the success of this experiment. This was my first shot fired and had a powerful impact on my shifting views over the years regarding phenomena considered paranormal and/or magical. To this day it still gives me a strange paranoid type of feeling when thinking of it. Why there were three of them in the mirror I don’t know. I was not visualizing it that way. I have never actually done this same working and doubt that I’d even be able to have any success with it in that way. Now whether or not that first experiment was truly related to Lam I can't really say. I also don't think that what I evoked were actual "aliens" in the usual sense. I even knew this then, at least in theory. I was aware of Lam at the time as I had already been reading a few of Kenneth Grant's books but I didn't consciously connect this with it. Over the years though my fascination with Lam increased but I never did anything formally or directly with it until more recently. Through the months of July and August, 2010 I prepared and performed a rather ambitious semi-oneiric invocation I came to call SOMNIA: An Oneiric Noesis - Seduction of the Oneiroi which turned out to be some pretty strong stuff. This particular working marked the end of a long series of oneiric workings I had been doing since 2005. Its current stirred a tangent in me I couldn't shake until I followed my intuition back to Lam. I have had a painted rendition of Crowley’s sketch of Lam (see my avatar picture) on my wall for a few of years now so there have probably been some subtle energies floating around regarding this entity. Using that painting as a scrying medium I performed a version of the Lam-gazing rite that Grant prescribes in “The Lam Statement“. Grant encouraged experimenting with his basic scheme and evolving one’s own methods along those lines. I stuck fairly close to it except for #6 where I used the Ma‘atian Space-Marks Banishing before and after each scrying session in place of the Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram of Earth that Grant suggests. I also added a candle to light the portrait and burned an incense called Kasturi Chandan, musk with sandal perfume, that has a particular nightside charge to it for me personally. I did two scrying sessions on September 27, 2010 and October 6, 2010 both at 11:30pm and roughly between 1-2 hours long each. I opened each session with the following invocation: Then I simply stared into the eyes of the portrait. After maybe an hour into these sessions an optical effect happens with the eyes and mouth of the entity that makes them appear to open into black holes. This is the moment when the gateway is open and I would push through and merge my consciousness with the portrait. Then close my eyes for a moment to allow a kind of absorption. The result of all this for me is not what Kenneth Grant describes as looking out through the entity’s eyes and seeing an alien world. The visionary aspect of it was fairly mundane except for the change of mood. I opened my eyes and I was where I was the whole time except for a feeling of a presence behind me. I took a pen and prepared myself to write down anything I experienced. I then felt and heard a low metallic sounding voice that came from the lower back of my head as if someone was whispering to me right up close to the top of my neck. It’s first words were “to lost soul, now entering the twin summit of fire and imagination”, or so I thought in the moment. Then followed a dictated monologue. This entity would not allow me to ask questions and would become forceful if I asked it to slow down or go back to something. Towards the end of the second session I was instructed to correct the spelling of the first three words to “Tu Los-Sol” and given the number 207 with no further elaboration. After sifting through what I had written down I cleaned it up and the final result of both sessions was a 93 verse communication I called CCVII: Tu Los-Sol - Entering the Twin Summit of Fire and Imagination complete with some sort of ritual I have never heard of nor have I figured out how to actually perform. I never numbered the line by line verses in my writings until this one. It was only after typing it up on MSWord that I felt an intuitive urge to number them which revealed that 93. I've been numbering all of the writings that have followed since just in case there is a significance. I did further workings along these lines again in January through March of 2012 which resulted in something much different. There was a more forceful feel to it probably because I began to ask questions and I was actually banished from the realm. The result was another received text titled ODN: Communication with the Architects via the LAM Gateway which total 124 verses. In my experience with Lam I have come to suspect that it is not necessarily one specific entity but a conduit to interface with several intelligences/entities that resonate with that current. I have no idea what they are but I called them "architects" as a result of that last session. This is really genuinely interesting!! I'd love to hear more about those transmissions (or ideally even read them).
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Apr 6, 2018 16:26:21 GMT
Thanks for the interest RPSTOVAL. Luckily for you (and me) those two works you want to see are on these forums HERE and HERE. I'm out of my home country at the moment and have limited access on the computer but will be home again in a couple of weeks. If there is anything further you'd like to know feel free to ask and I'll try to respond when I'm back.
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Post by The Double-wanded One on Apr 6, 2018 22:56:32 GMT
Thanks for the interest RPSTOVAL. Luckily for you (and me) those two works you want to see are on these forums HERE and HERE. I'm out of my home country at the moment and have limited access on the computer but will be home again in a couple of weeks. If there is anything further you'd like to know feel free to ask and I'll try to respond when I'm back. Thank you so much for sharing, I'm appreciate you linking this (I am reading now)
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Post by anthropos on Feb 26, 2019 8:52:22 GMT
I've a question related to the ritual described in The Lam Statement: In the invocation of Lam it sayis the invocation should be performed only in a fully protected circle. My question may sound naive, but is the circle supposed to be an actual circle like a Magical circle of King Solomon or is the circle established from the banishment? Again, really would appreciate if someone has the time to explain this matter.
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Post by JMH on Mar 24, 2019 2:19:26 GMT
I think it is established from the banishment indeed.To me, the circle is the combination of setting the Intention, Banishing,and composition (death posture eg.).
I could be completely wrong, but I have been working LAM and a personal construct called KiErsLam(*) and having surprising results.
My observation is that LAM is only accessible if you are completely free of gritty contaminents. It seems there is a mechanism making sure that the Lamonauts are well intended and fully transparent. For example, I had instances where during a session, I would slip up and got excited to share my experiences later ect and was instantly noticed that it was time to leave the egg. It was told in a very gentle way and without any hostility.
Anyway,
I will soon post some of the work I have done.
JMH
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Post by Gregory Peters on Mar 26, 2019 18:01:42 GMT
I've a question related to the ritual described in The Lam Statement: In the invocation of Lam it sayis the invocation should be performed only in a fully protected circle. My question may sound naive, but is the circle supposed to be an actual circle like a Magical circle of King Solomon or is the circle established from the banishment? Again, really would appreciate if someone has the time to explain this matter. In my own work with Lam, the circle is established with ritual and visualization. This might be Star Ruby, LBRP, or some other rituals that I work with regularly such as producing a flaming sphere of fiery vajras.
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Apr 6, 2019 1:12:00 GMT
...is the circle supposed to be an actual circle like a Magical circle of King Solomon or is the circle established from the banishment? Yes, if you are not a seasoned practitioner then any practice of this kind may be better approached with all known traditional precautions. Until one has really established their coordinates on this plane it is best to do some sort of physical mime of your sacred space. With enough practice, over time you won't need any of it... including the interface with LAM.
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Post by parsifal on Apr 9, 2019 13:22:35 GMT
I've a question related to the ritual described in The Lam Statement: In the invocation of Lam it sayis the invocation should be performed only in a fully protected circle. My question may sound naive, but is the circle supposed to be an actual circle like a Magical circle of King Solomon or is the circle established from the banishment? Again, really would appreciate if someone has the time to explain this matter. In my own work with Lam, the circle is established with ritual and visualization. This might be Star Ruby, LBRP, or some other rituals that I work with regularly such as producing a flaming sphere of fiery vajras. If I may chime in with a question of my own, the Lam Statement refers to banishing "at the Eight Spaces" and "Banishing in the Eight Directions of Space." Is this condition met if one were to banish using LBRP or Star Ruby? I'm aware of only four directions in these rituals. Or do elements such as the Cross Quabalistic in Star Ruby factor into Kenneth Grant's conception of eight directions? Any insights would be much appreciated!
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Post by Gregory Peters on Apr 9, 2019 16:20:32 GMT
In my own work with Lam, the circle is established with ritual and visualization. This might be Star Ruby, LBRP, or some other rituals that I work with regularly such as producing a flaming sphere of fiery vajras. If I may chime in with a question of my own, the Lam Statement refers to banishing "at the Eight Spaces" and "Banishing in the Eight Directions of Space." Is this condition met if one were to banish using LBRP or Star Ruby? I'm aware of only four directions in these rituals. Or do elements such as the Cross Quabalistic in Star Ruby factor into Kenneth Grant's conception of eight directions? Any insights would be much appreciated! From the Lam Statement:"The invocation of Lam should be performed only in a fully protected Circle, which involves Banishing in the Eight Directions of Space with the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram of Earth, followed by the Invoking Ritual of the Hexagram of Earth"I had always thought Grant was implying the 4 elemental quarters (from the pentagram) and 4 cardinal points of the zodiac (from the Hexagram ritual). I do think that the Cross Qabalistic would add to this, as we have the Crossroads being established. Grant's work was highly influenced by Tantra and the Voodoo of Bertiaux, and both of these emphasize 8 directions of space more definitively, with the quarters as well as in between (E, SE, S, SW, W, NW, N, NE). Sometimes an above and below is also included (but then you are going beyond the 8).
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