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Post by dustin on Apr 8, 2014 4:54:53 GMT
There is a good discussion of these ideas in Outer Gateways, along with the madhyamaka philosophy of Nagarjuna and the advaidist qualities of Thelema and the Necronomicon Gnosis. See, in particular, chapter 5: The Madhyamaka & Crowley and chapter 6: The Fourth Power of the Sphinx. This, ultimately, is the doctrine of the Void - sunyata. One passage later on points to a practical exercise in the work of Ramana Maharshi: "The only way of discovering the true nature of the reflection is by tracing it to its source, the owner of the face. This cannot be achieved from the vantage point of the mirror or the image reflected from it; it may be achieved only the consciousness of the true identity of the being reflected. The method of enquiry known as atmavichara, or enquiry into the Self, is therefore the only method that reveals the real nature of the Self and of the True Will, Thelema." Grant cites Liber AL I:26 as explicitly referring to atmavichara, stating that the verse "gave Crowley quite a headache because when he heard Aiwass dictate it, it was so incomprehensible to thin that his mind refused to accept it. Aiwass therefore directed him to alter it..." The original dictated verse read "The unfragmentary non-atomic fact of my universality." In any case, words have a difficult time describing this Self. This is why experience is really the only way. Nagarjuna wrote an entire treatise to show that, ultimately, there is no self - nothing that has originated has a fixed or permanent nature. "This will alone is the True Will, for it not exercised by a person. The magical or True Will is strictly impersonal [...]" - Outer Gateways, pg 111 in Skoob edition Thanks for the tip. I'll have to pick up a copy when made possible.
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Post by dustin on Apr 8, 2014 5:03:58 GMT
On a separate but relevant note, there is something I have experienced before. Awhile back, I went into a pure state of calm where I went to a realm with floating crystal figures and pyramids made of the clearest crystal. At different times, I have experienced contact with these humanoid beings that appeared to have been made of clear crystal suspended together by bands of fluctuating energy. These beings do not speak but will make contact by touch and transmit information in this manner. Has anybody made contact with these beings? If you have, then what are they? This is very interesting Dustin because there is some diagrammatic aspects here from my own researches in connection with the sixty stone mentioned in the writings of Grant. I would urge you to follow up this line of enquiry. Can you describe the these beings in more detail as to their exact nature or description? Would you say the energy connecting these crystals / pyramids was electrical or electromagnetic? On this point, I would refer you to the book, "The Golden Game" by Stanislas Klossowski de Rola. The book is a commentary on a number of 17th century alchemic texts, but there are references to what Stanislas describes in the book as, "celestial dynamism", with reference to a final operation in the production of the Philosophers Stone. 99 Well, the beings were of human shape but were faceless and they appeared to have been made of pure crystal with no color or impurities. They resembled humans by at least 80%. They did not have the complex features of the human form, but rather the basic shape of our bodies. For example, they had legs shaped like ours, arms like ours, and torsos like ours. But they lacked lips, noses, eyes, toes, or generative organs. Somewhat like a basic anatomy model that you would see at art stores. Their parts were sectioned into individual parts and were held together by bands of energy. It didn't appear electrical but the energy was multicolored, like it would change colors at varying intervals. Some had what appeared to be crystalline wings, others didn't. The wings resembled their bodies and were unlike what one would normally think.
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Post by Ad Finem on Apr 8, 2014 13:29:39 GMT
These images are all consistent with the mauve zone. Certainly the entities you describe sound to me as if what you are experiencing are unmanifest entities in the mauve zone. The lack of any physical characteristics may suggest this. The multicolours you experience are strongly suggestive of certain kalas which is the result of light passing though the crystal or stone at certain times in the mauve zone and which in alchemical texts is referred to as the, "celestial dynamism", or in some texts such as the, "Mutus Liber", as the, "dew of heaven". This of course also equates with certain verses in AL. According to Stanislas, this dew or dynamism, is abundant at only at certain times of the year and only in certain places, although he goes onto say in one of his commentaries on an alchemical engraving that', "Europe holds pride of place". This electrical dynamism is needed awaken the Priestess from her sleep. In the Book of Thoth, these ideas are represented by the card, "The Aeon", ("Last Judgement" in other packs). I would strongly recommend you study this imagery and of course KG's writings with reference to the mauve zone.
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Post by squareye on Apr 8, 2014 17:38:24 GMT
Nagajuna who developed the doctrine of sunyata and founded the madhyamika used it as a method to disable any assertion:
If you say the stairs go all the way up then he would say they go all the way down. If you say they go all the way down then he says they go all the way up. If you say they go both up and down then he says they go neither up nor down. If you say they go neither up nor down they he says they go both up and down. The Yogacara school went further and asserted there was a true nature to all things and that nature was sunyata (= emptiness-of-self). This would be akin to saying neither-neither. However the madhyamika school did not like this one bit! They would say that even neither-neither is neither-neither (even sunyata is empty).
It’s worth remembering that philosophy in antiquity was a way to live by (= experiential). It is only in the last three centuries here in the West that it became a more speculative or academic practice that did not touch the soul.
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Post by dustin on Apr 8, 2014 18:54:24 GMT
These images are all consistent with the mauve zone. Certainly the entities you describe sound to me as if what you are experiencing are unmanifest entities in the mauve zone. The lack of any physical characteristics may suggest this. The multicolours you experience are strongly suggestive of certain kalas which is the result of light passing though the crystal or stone at certain times in the mauve zone and which in alchemical texts is referred to as the, "celestial dynamism", or in some texts such as the, "Mutus Liber", as the, " dew of heaven". This of course also equates with certain verses in AL. According to Stanislas, this dew or dynamism, is abundant at only at certain times of the year and only in certain places, although he goes onto say in one of his commentaries on an alchemical engraving that', " Europe holds pride of place". This electrical dynamism is needed awaken the Priestess from her sleep. In the Book of Thoth, these ideas are represented by the card, "The Aeon", ("Last Judgement" in other packs). I would strongly recommend you study this imagery and of course KG's writings with reference to the mauve zone. 99 I have Grant's book and I have been reading it. It takes a couple of tries because his style of writing is rather dense.
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Post by dustin on Apr 9, 2014 6:44:22 GMT
Since it has been mentioned, I think it's fair to mention the last time I seen one.
I just received my new tarot deck, which was the Thoth deck that provided the three copies of the Magus card. I came home to where I first examined the deck and then placed it in a regal purple pouch. After a couple days, I used the consecration ritual provided in the manual. After performing the consecration, the being hovered above me in its crystalline glory and its crystal sword touched me my forehead. At that moment, my consciousness was at a strange place where I saw a man in antiquated attire that looked at me, smiled, and then prepared to leave. Before leaving, he pulled out a card that resembled the Magus card and showed it to me. He then left.
After I came to, I did my first reading with the deck and then let it be for some time. While I was doing some reading, I came across a picture of a man that looked exactly like the individual I saw after the consecration. It was Aleister Crowley from his 1912 photo. This discovery shocked me as I couldn't tell what to make of it.
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Post by Ad Finem on Apr 9, 2014 15:17:26 GMT
I think your visionary work is very interesting dustin. Which of the three magus cards most resembled the one which the entity pulled out? There is a curious fact that I believe the Choronzon Club which is located within the mauve zone, has in it's possession a number of pictures which seem to resemble the late AC and that one of these is in fact the photograph you mention. I would certainly try to use the cards as a basis for your visionary work with the paths. From what you describe so far it seems that you have tapped into some strong mauve zone imagery. Have any of these entities communicated to you in a verbal way?
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Post by dustin on Apr 9, 2014 20:38:06 GMT
I think your visionary work is very interesting dustin. Which of the three magus cards most resembled the one which the entity pulled out? There is a curious fact that I believe the Choronzon Club which is located within the mauve zone, has in it's possession a number of pictures which seem to resemble the late AC and that one of these is in fact the photograph you mention. I would certainly try to use the cards as a basis for your visionary work with the paths. From what you describe so far it seems that you have tapped into some strong mauve zone imagery. Have any of these entities communicated to you in a verbal way? 99 It was the Magus card that had the caduceus in its imagery. I never had one speak to me, but if they want to share information with me then they would make contact via touch. I do find this to be interesting. On a separate note, my birth date is 9/24/93. Perhaps you can obtain information from that.
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Post by Ad Finem on Apr 10, 2014 11:52:19 GMT
That card is the one which I prefer of the three. Your birth date is interesting to me personally as it's the same date as mine - except the year of course as I was born 24th Sept 1958. Your year of birth is of course significant for obvious reasons. Also, with the numbers 24 and 9. When multiplied equal 216 which is very significant because the number is: 6 x 6 x 6 = 216 and also this is the number of the Hebrew word ARYH which means "Lion". There are many other correspondences with this number and I would suggest you refer to Liber 500. As KG has noted, 24 is a number often associated with UFO phenomena and the sign of Libra is a highly charged sign in the New Aeon. I would also recommend that you try to discover your own magical history which means looking at significant aspects of your life which may hold keys to your past and future role in the New Aeon. I think this will help in developing your visionary work to. 99
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Post by dustin on Apr 10, 2014 21:00:30 GMT
That card is the one which I prefer of the three. Your birth date is interesting to me personally as it's the same date as mine - except the year of course as I was born 24th Sept 1958. Your year of birth is of course significant for obvious reasons. Also, with the numbers 24 and 9. When multiplied equal 216 which is very significant because the number is: 6 x 6 x 6 = 216 and also this is the number of the Hebrew word ARYH which means "Lion". There are many other correspondences with this number and I would suggest you refer to Liber 500. As KG has noted, 24 is a number often associated with UFO phenomena and the sign of Libra is a highly charged sign in the New Aeon. I would also recommend that you try to discover your own magical history which means looking at significant aspects of your life which may hold keys to your past and future role in the New Aeon. I think this will help in developing your visionary work to. 99 Thanks man. I have done work similar to what you have said, but at this moment I have been trying to read KG's work which has proven to be slightly difficult. His writing style makes it difficult for the reader to understand his points.
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Post by dustin on Apr 11, 2014 23:07:33 GMT
I have obtained a majority of KG's Trilogies, where I have spent more time reading Beyond the Mauve Zone. I have found some interesting information from his work, but his books would definitely take a few reads to completely absorb the information.
One specific concept that I found interest in was the chaya, or Shadow-Woman. He states that the chaya's guidance leads the chela to the ajnachakra. My main curiosity is if this chaya is the same as, or similar to, the anima in Karl Jung's individuation process. I have gotten to the point of discovering my anima, so I wonder if this is the next step towards that process.
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Post by dustin on Apr 12, 2014 1:45:16 GMT
Nice quotes there Gregory. Some of those themes (in addition to the idea of "no self" mentioned by Mick further up) remind me of some mirror-gazing meditations I used to do regularly back in the 1990's and only followed through with to the end result in 2004. It is a technique recommended in Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh's Meditation: The Art of Ecstasy. He says to stare at your own face, fixed on the eyes without blinking, in a darkened mirror for about 30-45 minutes nightly for about a month of so or however long it takes to achieve the proper end result; that result being the disappearance of your own reflection in the mirror. Before this happens your face appears to morph through numerous layers of masks which can be a frightening experience for the unsuspecting practitioner. Upon the disappearance of your face you are to close your eyes and embrace the experience full-on. About this experience Rajneesh states: And later he states further: I mention this not to derail the discussion but to emphasize a practice that can help someone realize (real eyes?) the experience you guys are talking about there. Talking it is fruitless in my opinion. It has to be achieved experientially as you said. Completing this meditation in 2004 is what swung a door open for me to later come to full K & C of the HGA. The latter I achieved more properly through the practice of the Sleep-Feasting Rite. I attempted this practice and I found the results to be quite interesting. I had two candles, one black and one red, and in between the two was a large obsidian sphere that I obtained awhile back. I stared into for a couple of minutes but had to abruptly stop so that I can remove my glasses. I then began again where my face started to shift into a form resembling a Grey. Then, the face shifted into two identical faces where the left one was fine and the second started to fade. Eventually, they both faded and I was left with a empty reflection. This was my first attempt in doing this, so I didn't expect anything. I was just curious to see the outcome.
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Post by avarbis on Oct 28, 2015 20:38:21 GMT
<abbr> Dustin,
In a relative sense, everything is real. But in an ultimate sense, everything is an illusion. This distinction has helped me in the past.
Good luck!
-Al
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Post by Mikhale on Oct 30, 2015 2:57:24 GMT
Nice quotes there Gregory. Some of those themes (in addition to the idea of "no self" mentioned by Mick further up) remind me of some mirror-gazing meditations I used to do regularly back in the 1990's and only followed through with to the end result in 2004. It is a technique recommended in Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh's Meditation: The Art of Ecstasy. He says to stare at your own face, fixed on the eyes without blinking, in a darkened mirror for about 30-45 minutes nightly for about a month of so or however long it takes to achieve the proper end result; that result being the disappearance of your own reflection in the mirror. Before this happens your face appears to morph through numerous layers of masks which can be a frightening experience for the unsuspecting practitioner. Upon the disappearance of your face you are to close your eyes and embrace the experience full-on. About this experience Rajneesh states: And later he states further: I mention this not to derail the discussion but to emphasize a practice that can help someone realize (real eyes?) the experience you guys are talking about there. Talking it is fruitless in my opinion. It has to be achieved experientially as you said. Completing this meditation in 2004 is what swung a door open for me to later come to full K & C of the HGA. The latter I achieved more properly through the practice of the Sleep-Feasting Rite. I would like to second your attention here on the experiential. My work with mirror gazing has benefited my development dramatically. By looking at the self and studying its elusive nature I can catch glimpses of the "neither" Spare has spoken of. I found a wonderful essay that helped me with this practice. "Spare suggest two methods of becoming aware of the primordial Kia-state, firstly by a ritual practice which he calls the Death Posture, explained in the chapter of that title where he gives a method that involves staring at one's image in a mirror, hyper-ventilating and then voluntarily collapsing into the vortex of mental confusion that is produced. This seems to have been a procedure that worked well for Spare, a type of astral projection into the void of no-thought - he may have developed the idea from yoga practice, in particular the so-called 'corpse posture' or Shavasana. He spent a lot of time looking into the mirror during his life in order to draw self-portraits, and he certainly used mirror-gazing in connection with automatic drawing, it is a useful way to extend the way we perceive ourselves, and consequently to shift the limits of the ego. In case you haven't, you might like to try staring into a mirror in a darkened room, lit dimly by one or two candles, and focussing your gaze on a point ten centimetres behind the eyes of your double. Then becoming aware of your peripheral vision, who or what will you see forming beside, behind and around you? This is the sort of pastime that conventional parents warn their children against, insisting that it is dangerous - for the devil himself may appear. But for magicians, anything labelled 'dangerous' has a magnetic attraction - they know that where the conventional mind refuses to go, there are hidden possibilities of new and different knowledge." -From Gavin W. Semple's 'Who Ever Thought Thus? Some perspectives on understanding the philosophy of The Book of Pleasure by Austin Osman Spare'Talk is cheap and armchair magick is what it is. I am reminded of that phrase from the Tao Te Ching: Without going out the door, Know the world. Without looking out the window, See the Way of Heaven. I never had to gain permission to create "art". I refused to follow tradition by means of following the tradition of insubordination. Thus I was led to Spare eventually. Yet Thelema was my first love. I always thought a great Lovers card could be represented by Crowley and Spare. (Tesla and Edison. Niels Bohr and Hugh Everett III. etc) I had encountered Grant but saw the Necronomicon as ridiculous at the time and passed it by. Looking to the "real ancient stuff" Ha! After sifting through Jungian psychology for a while and discovering catharsis through art and discovering what he called archetypal, I revisited the Typhonian Tradition. It made more sense. Especially from my Buddhist perspective. I practice Tibetan Chöd by using my paintings and other mediums as means to contacting inner shadow elements. The backside wipings from the backside of the tree. The principle is to summon the shadow elements, visualize and conceptualize the form of the being, rendering this image in reality (thus creating union and binding), asking for what it wants, then becoming all that it desires like a nectar and luring it and its strength for assimilation. Rather than the Western view of subjugation, which requires conflict and struggle, this technique uses surrender and compassion. Perhaps the Cthulu elements are primordial forces that may serve as conceptualizations for a formula that involves this type of interaction. I simply do not know enough about the Typhonian Tradition to have any heavy opinions or speculation. That is why I am here! In regards to Sumerian vs. Draconian. I am at the point where I am fine working with Clive Barker and Stargate deifications. I really like the book Feeding your demons by Tsultrim Allione in regards to Chöd.
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