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Post by stephen on Jan 18, 2018 16:43:56 GMT
It has to be said that this obituary of Nema is rather poor; I have not checked today, but there must be a better one out there.
The magical career of Nema and her concepts regarding the Aeon of Maat, to which I do not particularly subscribe, are deserving of better treatment than they are receiving here from some posters. When she sent a copy of Liber Pennae Praenumbra to Grant, he was not initially very impressed with it as a received text, but he gradually changed his opinion, for which see his commentary in Beyond the Mauve Zone.
Nema's adventurous and original activities as a practising magician in the 1970s were published in The Cincinnati Journal of Ceremonial Magick and are a testament to her worth, Ave Nema!
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Post by merlin on Jan 19, 2018 18:04:22 GMT
Please correct me if I am wrong, but Maggie Ingalls and Margaret Cook were the same person, i.e. Nema?
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Post by cagliostro on Jan 19, 2018 20:48:05 GMT
hee hee i would never have thought of doing that...herrera..but then maybe you didnt understand the question.
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Post by Michael Staley on Jan 20, 2018 11:59:38 GMT
Please correct me if I am wrong, but Maggie Ingalls and Margaret Cook were the same person, i.e. Nema? Yes, they were. |
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Post by merlin on Jan 20, 2018 12:14:55 GMT
Then the haunting "The Demon Feast" painting that was published as Plate 2 in Grant's Nightside Of Eden (Skoob Edition) is by Nema... that's very interesting.
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Post by merlin on Jan 20, 2018 12:36:30 GMT
hee hee i would never have thought of doing that...herrera..but then maybe you didnt understand the question. Sorry but I am not getting this, cagliostro |
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Post by N0T 2 on Jan 31, 2018 14:26:55 GMT
IPSOS is a synonym for Silba:
Here's a neat bit of relevant trivia I would like to share, quoting from correspondence:
I was working on some ideas for practical work, deriving in part from The Wisdom of S'lba last week.
Whilst hastily jotting things down, I was trying to find words for the meanings or impressions I was trying to record, or articulate - and began playing with them, and ended up writing S'lbipsism as a quick-and-dirty way of designating (for the time being, and for fun) the state of godhead as Ipsissimus-as-S'lba, or vice-versa, or the Kether point of view, but as subjectivised, or the Self as Maharshi would put it, etc.. Obviously it is a pun or assonance of solipsism as well, at least to me in the moment it was.
I couldn't help it. I suddenly realised that my understanding of precisely how the word "solipsism" came about was deficient, and had lazily assumed that the element "-ipsism" derived from "ipsos" which I had ignorantly assumed was Greek in origin (via PIE languages) and therefore that ipsos was an earlier source, so I had erroneously assumed, of the Latin "ipse", as so many Latin words derive from Greek originals.
Imagine, then, my surprise to find the first Google result for the word Ipsos to be the definition given by Nema as the magical formula of the Aeon of MAAT, and then, mainly, this:
eventually I got to the Wiktionary entry, where ipsos is calmly defined exclusively as simply the masculine accusative plural* of the Latin ipse. No Greek in sight.
My eyes drifted southwards on the page, shaded by increasingly raised eyebrows as I came across the synonym in Gothic (of all things!): silba. See en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ipse#Latin.
Others have probably noted this link long ago. And perhaps it's not such a leap, just, it is when you aren't expecting it. Perhaps the gematriacs can crunch the numbers for us.
The Wisdom of S'lba is ensconsed in the most "gothic" book I'm aware of, so as far as "ensouling" books goes, this truly and quite literally takes the cake (except the literal part is the ensouling, not the cake).
Nothing like a bit of "Gothic Self" on a Wednesday.
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*Elohim, anyone? Or EloTHEM? :0
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Post by The Double-wanded One on Jun 10, 2018 0:02:43 GMT
Over the past few months I have gained more respect for Ma-at Magick (not that I disrespected it before).
I'm very fond of many of the rituals on the Horus-Maat site, which is relatively unique -seeing as I am not generally fond of ceremonial (or any form that is scripted) magick - including Crowley's rituals, they don't interest me either.
I don't view Liber Pennae Praenumbra on any level similar to Liber AL Vel Legis, The Quran or Vedic scriptures BUT I do see it as a very valuable and useful text nonetheless!
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Post by Manuel Herrera on Jun 22, 2018 18:17:46 GMT
Over the past few months I have gained more respect for Ma-at Magick (not that I disrespected it before). I'm very fond of many of the rituals on the Horus-Maat site, which is relatively unique -seeing as I am not generally fond of ceremonial (or any form that is scripted) magick - including Crowley's rituals, they don't interest me either. I don't view Liber Pennae Praenumbra on any level similar to Liber AL Vel Legis, The Quran or Vedic scriptures BUT I do see it as a very valuable and useful text nonetheless! All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little; solve the first half of the equation, leave the second unattacked.  |
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Post by The Double-wanded One on Jun 26, 2018 3:38:32 GMT
Over the past few months I have gained more respect for Ma-at Magick (not that I disrespected it before). I'm very fond of many of the rituals on the Horus-Maat site, which is relatively unique -seeing as I am not generally fond of ceremonial (or any form that is scripted) magick - including Crowley's rituals, they don't interest me either. I don't view Liber Pennae Praenumbra on any level similar to Liber AL Vel Legis, The Quran or Vedic scriptures BUT I do see it as a very valuable and useful text nonetheless! All words are sacred and all prophets true; save only that they understand a little; solve the first half of the equation, leave the second unattacked. Ah yes, this statement from Liber Legis always seem to confuse people  The great emphasis being on "Save only that they understand a little". There are aspects of all religions that contain the universal objective truth of the universe/Life/God, it certainly resonates with me as a syncretic/perennial spiritual person but 'under stand a little' highlighting that not any single religion or prophet alone (including Crowley) has all the correct answers, they must be seeked and tried by the initiate. Liber Legis doesn't exist in a vacuum, not to say that it is in any way derivative but it is a significant piece in an ongoing dialogue between God to Man (including the Quran, Vedic accounts, Ancient Egyptian accounts, Jewish accounts etc) My thing with Liber Pennae Praenumbra, despite liking it for what it is; is that it feels like a written work of poetry, for the meditative cause of propagating her own Magical/Yogic system out of Thelema. As I said, I like their rituals and elements of the Maat Current but don't buy into it. A lot of it feels out of place with the deep history that Legis comes from - considering the magical aspect that Crowley himself promoted, there is the whole Hermetic, Rosicrucian and other mystery schools to take into account. I do very much respect and admire her making the Horus-Maat Lodge an: open to the public, self-initiation system. It take a lot of the bullshit out of what you find within the OTO and A.A. being completely free and there in hyberspare, give hope - like that Open Source Golden Dawn thing. |
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Post by The Double-Wanded One on Feb 16, 2022 10:34:11 GMT
Liber Pennae Praenumbra is definitely difficult to situate. It's certainly more eloquent than Parson's Liber 49 (which is not as inspiring as the Working that it emerged from) and more original than Liber 440 (which is impossible to take serious by anyone).
Soror Nema's text of peculiarity, alike some of her other transmitted texts, are truly difficult to situate.
Now with Crowley's Class A, there is Liber Legis which is the dictated holy scripture via a specific source (Aiwass), that serves a highly dense, layered, timeless talismanic role that is inexhaustible.
Then there are the Non-Legis Class A texts which are not dictations but highly eloquent stream-of-consciousness type texts pertaining to a variety of matters which in theory serve as comments upon certain questions raised in the text of Liber Legis (therefore being hypertextual references back to Legis). But not as a closed-system.
Liber Pennae Praenumbra feels more like texts such as Liber Cordis Cincti Serpenti, portions of Liber 418 and especially The Heart of the Master (which feels like a striking, never mentioned connection).
I try to see Nema through Grant's eyes (which seems to be the only one which makes sense to me), and there are certainly interesting connections within the Typhonian tradition.
Nema's other texts have some bits and pieces of useful material for ritual work, pertaining to things like Lam and the Qliphoth but I'll always remain on the fence about her, but my RIP for her remains always sincere.
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Post by Basil on Apr 18, 2024 18:52:39 GMT
Don't know the policy on resurrecting old threads, but I guess there isn't much going on anyway.
So, I had a chance to meet some HML members online and do a little work using the materials from the website. To the best of my judgment, it's a vibrant and genuine current with a heart in the right place.
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Post by Michael Staley on Apr 18, 2024 19:14:45 GMT
There's no policy on resurrecting old threads, Basil. If the thread is still of interest then there will be new posts; if the thread has run its course, then there won't.
I'm very interested in the Aeon of Maat, in particular its primary formulation in Achad's work, and I find Nema's work of interest. I've never been a member of the Horus-Maat Lodge and so am not familiar with what they do, but I'd be interested in hearing about the work you have done using the materials.
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Post by Basil on Apr 18, 2024 19:32:18 GMT
There's no policy on resurrecting old threads, Basil. If the thread is still of interest then there will be new posts; if the thread has run its course, then there won't. I'm very interested in the Aeon of Maat, in particular its primary formulation in Achad's work, and I find Nema's work of interest. I've never been a member of the Horus-Maat Lodge and so am not familiar with what they do, but I'd be interested in hearing about the work you have done using the materials. Since we corresponded in the past, and André mentioned you, I already sent you a few records that I thought might interest you. It was astral work which included a few visions aligned with Kenneth Grant's writing: the Voltigeur, and Ancient Ones. |
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The great emphasis being on "Save only that they understand a little". There are aspects of all religions that contain the universal objective truth of the universe/Life/God, it certainly resonates with me as a syncretic/perennial spiritual person but 'under stand a little' highlighting that not any single religion or prophet alone (including Crowley) has all the correct answers, they must be seeked and tried by the initiate. 
