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Post by ShB on Mar 3, 2015 6:31:42 GMT
Charlotte References to the North East can be found in Hecate's Fountain
Hecate's Fountain Pg.146-7 Pg.169 Pg.192
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Post by Ad Finem on Mar 3, 2015 12:14:25 GMT
In between the cardinal points is where the Outer Ones gain access via the subterranean gateways. The North East is one of these gateways.
93 93/93
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Post by triveni93 on Mar 3, 2015 14:27:47 GMT
Thank you so much, ShB and Legion - that makes a lot of sense. I have to wait to get my Starfire copy of Hecate's Fountain to look up the references, though! It sounds like it might arrive next week. :-)
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Mar 3, 2015 17:06:03 GMT
Does anyone understand the significance of the North East? Doesn't Agent Cooper say he always sleeps facing that direction? This is just all my own free form interpretation but early in the show Agent Cooper makes mention of a dream that put him in connection with the plight of the Tibetan people and where his "Tibetan method" was revealed to him (the scene where he tosses the stones at the bottles). He described it as a "subconsciously gained knowledge of a deductive technique involving mind-body coordination operating hand-in-hand with the deepest level of intuition". One may deduct from his mentioning of Tibet, a "Tibetan method" and the direction he sleeps to be a reference to a Tibetan arrangement of the trigrams of the Bagua. I have no clue which arrangement that would be because there are several. He may sleep in that direction because it is conducive to his having the kind of dreams he has come to rely on. Do you know where Cooper mentions sleeping in that direction? I can only vaguely remember him saying something along those lines. I do have some more speculative interpretations on this but I want to be sure that direction is correct for it to make sense.
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Post by triveni93 on Mar 3, 2015 18:07:31 GMT
Agent Cooper mentions it multiple times, Nalyd, but I cannot think of the context off the top of my head. I'm pretty sure one instance occurs in his hotel room, in a conversation with Harry Truman.
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Mar 3, 2015 18:53:39 GMT
I think I may take up watching Twin Peaks again just to refresh my memory. It's been years since I watched it and initially wanted to watch it around the time of the starting of this thread. I just never got to it.
I do have a few winding speculations but right now (being pressed for time), taking your word for it that northeast is the direction Cooper says, I'll just mention that Grant says in Hecate's Fountain that northeast has a connection to the sign of Leo, the Grand Lion. With that comes to mind a connection with the character of Leo Johnson in the show and the last time you see him with a cage of deadly spiders above him being held there with a string in his teeth. The page references that ShB points to in Hecate's Fountain above seem to make a great deal of sense in the context of the show. I'll get back with this later when I'm back to the computer. Gotta go.
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Post by triveni93 on Mar 4, 2015 2:46:25 GMT
No need to take my word for it, Nalyd! I re-watched it not too long ago and am pretty sure that's what he said... but I am totally comfortable with people fact-checking my claims. I tried Googling it and couldn't find anything. I'll ask my office-mate tomorrow. We chatted about it a bit one day and I'm pretty sure he also said it was the north-east. In any case, what ShB and Legion said made total sense to me.
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Post by triveni93 on Mar 8, 2015 15:26:50 GMT
Okay. I conferred with a few Twin Peaks fans I know - people who watch it over and over again with some regularity. The consensus is that Agent Cooper sleeps towards the northeast.
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Post by Nalyd Khezr Bey on Mar 8, 2015 15:39:40 GMT
Wow, you put some effort into that, haha. Sorry Charlotte, I didn't mean to give the impression that I didn't trust you on that. I just didn't want to build a thesis around that one bit of info and then find out it wasn't accurate. I'm not even sure now where I was headed with my thoughts. When I get home later tonight I may look over this again and follow up with it.
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Post by Gregory Peters on Mar 8, 2015 18:17:47 GMT
I myself sleep with my head towards the north... I vaguely recall this being considered inauspicious in vastu shastras? I like to thing my brain is being immersed in magnetic fields of darkness while the sun traverses the empyrean (sorry for going off topic)
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Post by N0T 2 on Mar 21, 2015 0:58:10 GMT
Does anyone understand the significance of the North East? Doesn't Agent Cooper say he always sleeps facing that direction? Charlotte,
The Northeast, as a point of reverence, looms sinisterly in Lovecraft's short story "Hypnos".
A tangent, perhaps, but possibly an influence?
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Post by artilect on Jun 13, 2015 4:54:59 GMT
I just finished watching the entire Twin Peaks TV series followed by Fire Walk With Me. Despite being a dedicated Lynch fan and having watched all of his films, including FWWM and even the short films, I never saw the TV series, I guess because of issues accessing it. I thought the series was much better than the film, which doesn't really add much to the whole mystery beyond a retelling of events fairly thoroughly inferred already throughout the course of the show. A few observations: Early on in the show, when sections of Laura's diary are found, there is mention that she possessed a terrible secret. Of course we later learn that this secret concerns both Bob's existence and his overall raison d'etre. I was reading The Ninth Arch at this time and came upon 336-18: "She had the secret; swore she'd never tell", the oracle for which is "the City which none can enter or leave." Outside of all the soul-eating, which we find in both the show and Grant's work, there's also some crossover with the idea of 'guardians of the gates' or as Deputy Hawk explains of the Black Lodge: "there you will meet your own shadow self. My people [via Bulwer-Lytton] call it ‘The Dweller on the Threshold.'” Regarding the Black Lodge group, including Bob: they fit the profile of Lovecraft's ZUGs; their description from TNA 334-16: "those furtive and secretive creatures who know many obscure secrets of the dream world and a few of the waking world." I liked that the residents of the Black Lodge dealt in reversals, reversed speech and movement, in some ways it parallels my own findings vis a vis Daath and Achad's work with reversal. In the film FWWM, David Bowie's character Agent Jeffries' pronouncement "We live inside a dream!" should need no further explanation for its obvious Typhonian implicits. Jeffries enters the FBI office and is astonished at the date on the calendar -- he has been missing three years. He schizophrenically attributes the lost time to a shadowy meeting with the Black Lodge members above a convenience store. This supports the theory that time does not progress linearly at the Lodge. A parallel to this is found again in TNA 334-16, which posits that the sixteenth kala or Tunnel of Set is the culmination of the previous 15, the sixteenth being "where Time stands still." In the 'Uriens' chapter of Nightside of Eden, which examines the 16th path, Grant points out that the 16th kala is the child of Typhon, i.e., Set, and that the combined Set-Typhon image is typified by the dog star Sothis. Laura Palmer was born during the dog days of summer, on July 22nd, 1972. The only significance I can pair with the day of Laura's death, February 24th, 1989, is that Grant frequently draws attention to the fact that UFO activity often occurs on the 24th of the month and the Lodge/UFO phenomenon have some overlap. We also learn in NOE that one of the denizens of the 16th cell of Uriens is the minotaur "imprisoned in a maze into which youths and maidens are introduced for sacrificial purposes. They strayed into the depths of the labyrinth and were devoured by the beast." Humorously, the colour attributed to path 16 in NOE is "rich brown juice" ... coffee!? Finally, TNA 334-16 is also attached to Hecate or "the one who holds herself afar off", which pretty much describes the posthumous view that friends and townsfolk seem to have of Laura; they knew her and yet didn't know her at all. The Log Lady intros were generally terrific and consistently referenced magical themes and principles, including 'as above, so below'. I liked the last intro (for episode 29) the best; it deals with the recurring theme of dual identities. The general 'getting beyond dualism' idea, which we also find in Grant, as well as the 'Fear/Love' dichotomy in TP, will be familiar here: "And now, an ending. Where there was once one, there are now two. Or were there always two?
"What is a reflection? A chance to see two? When there are chances for reflections, there can always be two--or more. Only when we are everywhere will there be just one."But perhaps Lynch himself sums it up best: "I learned that just beneath the surface there’s another world, and still different worlds as you dig deeper." Here's two decent magical Twin Peaks examinations: Esoteric Twin PeaksUnder the Sycamore Trees: Magic and Mystery in Twin Peaks - Part 1 and Part 2
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Post by The Double-Wanded One on May 10, 2022 8:10:28 GMT
Great thread, there is still a hell of a lot to explore in it, also give that the last post here was before The Return (2017) was made. Plus both Mark Frost's "The Secret History Of Twin Peaks" (2016) and "The Final Dossier" (2017) both came out after this tread as well. In the Return, episode 3 and 8, there is a strange ocean and 'realm' that got freakin called The Mauve Zone. Now in the sort of pop culture side of things people know the Mauve Zone as "that sea place with the tower in Twin Peaks which was inspired by that occult guy" As I know from being immersed in the premiere of the Return, is that fans were suddenly reading Kenneth Grant to find out what it was about. The following also appears in The Return:
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Post by Gregory Peters on May 10, 2022 17:37:16 GMT
I watched the Return when it came out, but missed this reference to the Mauve Zone. Thanks for pointing it out; I shall watch those episodes again
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Post by The Double-Wanded One on May 16, 2022 6:17:18 GMT
Also relevant:
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Post by x51 on Sept 22, 2022 11:26:33 GMT
I watched the Return when it came out, but missed this reference to the Mauve Zone. Thanks for pointing it out; I shall watch those episodes again Despite being a fan of Twin Peaks, I haven't gotten around to finishing the Return yet (only watched the first episode). I started re-watching the entire series from the beginning a few days ago, so I'll have to chime in once I get to the newer episodes.
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Post by x51 on Feb 7, 2023 20:00:36 GMT
Coming back to this after having re-watched all of Twin Peaks... The Mauve Zone is seen multiple times and is very well done. Episode 8's use of the atomic bomb testing as a catalyst for a riff/bleeding between worlds and the Blue Book/Blue Rose/UFO/Extra-dimensional entity angle is also a clear nod, IMO. Although likely not intentional--and probably more of a retcon--the Giant/Fireman bears somewhat of a resemblance to LAM at first glance.
I plan on reading Mark Frost's two books since they provide him with more freedom to explore the lore outside of cinema.
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Post by christibrany on Apr 18, 2024 17:15:53 GMT
I will hopefully be digging more into the series and providing some thoughts to this thread but for now, does anyone know if Mark Frost is the one who came up with the Mauve Zone reference or was it Lynch? Who did more writing? I know Lynch is very into TM so I can say I believe the realms he accesses during this state have definitely informed this series.
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